Guys, it's not negotiable. You need to give Mahomes premium weapons in your mocks.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Glad you noticed that. Split end x receivers that don't get a free release from the slot or Z like guys like Toney did for a majority of their careers often use jab and stutter steps to set up the defender and get by them. It's a good trait. He doesn't do it when he's not facing press.

You don't average 20 ypc by sucking ass and getting open too slow.

College and NFL are two different levels. We will have to agree to disagree on him.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

College and NFL are two different levels. We will have to agree to disagree on him.

Fine with me. He doesn't have anything slow in his route running at all. He's one of the receivers I want most for the Chiefs to draft.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Fine with me. He doesn't have anything slow in his route running at all. He's one of the receivers I want most for the Chiefs to draft.

Ruggs was way faster than Dyami Brown last year but his sloppiness and delaying of his routes was one of the reasons why I placed him behind Justin Jefferson when most of the mock draft sites were too high on Ruggs.

All the speed in the world can be slowed down with delays you do to yourself.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Ruggs was way faster than Dyami Brown last year but his sloppiness and delaying of his routes was one of the reasons why I placed him behind Justin Jefferson when most of the mock draft sites were too high on Ruggs.

All the speed in the world can be slowed down with delays you do to yourself.

That's fine, we can disagree. I just don't see what you say you're seeing with him. The only time I see him use jabs and stutters is against press and he does them without slowing down his route.

si.com (https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/draft/...er-dyami-brown) seems to agree with me when they say this:

At the line of scrimmage, Brown uses quick and precise footwork to get a good release. He doesn't waste much movement in his feet and almost never runs sloppy routes. He's a smart player who doesn't have elite traits, so he wins with toughness and technique throughout his reps. Brown is also a more than willing run blocker, as that was one of the best parts of his game in college.

I wasn't much the Ruggs fan. Jaylen Waddle is this year's overhyped version.

Everybody is the next Reek. Except they aren't.

Will Fuller, John Ross, Henry Ruggs, now Waddle... blah.

You're right about that, speed only goes so far. I remember going off my rocker over Smith from Ohio State a few years back only for him to suck complete ass because I was 1) blindly being a homer and 2) not paying enough attention to his route running.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

That's fine, we can disagree. I just don't see what you say you're seeing with him. The only time I see him use jabs and stutters is against press and he does them without slowing down his route.

si.com (https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/draft/...er-dyami-brown) seems to agree with me when they say this:



I wasn't much the Ruggs fan. Jaylen Waddle is this year's overhyped version.

Everybody is the next Reek. Except they aren't.

Will Fuller, John Ross, Henry Ruggs, now Waddle... blah.

You're right about that, speed only goes so far. I remember going off my rocker over Smith from Ohio State a few years back only for him to suck complete ass because I was 1) blindly being a homer and 2) not paying enough attention to his route running.

I still had Ruggs as a 1st round pick, just a guy late 1st.

It scared me when I heard we were thinking about trading up for him.

Still, Ruggs or Will Fuller would be enough to replace Sammy. They might not be super versatile but at least they give you a true vertical 2.

Ruggs does one run an incredible hitch and go that is ELITE. Unfortunately his other routes are delayed.