Jayson Oweh, Penn State

[kccrow]

Paye had 2 sacks in 4 games this year, 6.5 in his last 12.
Chaisson had 6.5 in his last 12.

Oweh had 0 in 7 and has 1 in his last 12.


You can't inject Hunter into the argument when he proves what we've all been trying to say, he was the 88th pick. You take chances on pure traits at pick 88.

The problem isn't with drafting Oweh nor is it with drafting purely on traits. The problem is drafting purely on traits in round 1.

Not a single team in NFL history has ever taken a pass rusher with his lack of production in the 1st round. Never. It hasn't happened. There is no example.

Maybe, just maybe, a team will change that but I have my doubts.

Yetur Gross-Matos was a far better player and he went at 38 in a weak draft for edge talent, so it won't be some Penn State pedigree thing.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Paye had 2 sacks in 4 games this year, 6.5 in his last 12.
Chaisson had 6.5 in his last 12.

Oweh had 0 in 7 and has 1 in his last 12.


You can't inject Hunter into the argument when he proves what we've all been trying to say, he was the 88th pick. You take chances on pure traits at pick 88.

The problem isn't with drafting Oweh nor is it with drafting purely on traits. The problem is drafting purely on traits in round 1.

Not a single team in NFL history has ever taken a pass rusher with his lack of production in the 1st round. Never. It hasn't happened. There is no example.

Maybe, just maybe, a team will change that but I have my doubts.

Yetur Gross-Matos was a far better player and he went at 38 in a weak draft for edge talent, so it won't be some Penn State pedigree thing.

I never said Oweh was as productive as those guys, or should be a top 20 pick, the point was clearly that athleticism and traits come first. Neither of those two had the production of a top 20 pick.

I realize that Hunter wasn’t drafted until the 88th pick. That’s irrelevant now. He’d be a top 15 pick in a redraft. He obviously shouldn’t have been the 88th pick.

Today, the NFL clearly values those things over production, and that’s why just about everybody can see the writing on the wall that he will likely be a 1st round pick. That is unless you are absolutely stuck on production while ignoring the fact that he was very disruptive on tape. That’s why I disagree that you’re drafting “purely on traits” if you take him in the 1st. This isn’t just my opinion either, literally every single scouting report I’ve seen says the same things about the production being misleading.

If sacks were that telling of play, the conversation would be that he took a huge step backwards in 2020. He had 6 sacks in 2019, and none in 2020, yet it’s clear as day that he improved against the run and the pass. He was actually very productive in 2019 despite not even being a starter. It’s just a weird 2 year stretch, and that’s why I don’t get too caught up in it.

He hasn’t been playing football very long, and by all accounts he definitely has the intangibles to go with the athleticism as well. Yea, a guy having 0 sacks and going in the 1st is pretty much unheard of, but so is a guy at that size running in the 4.3s. He’s a very unique prospect with unique circumstances and to hold him to a set of rules based on history misses that. Pretty much everybody who’s high on him acknowledges that it’s very rare to be so high on a guy with that kind of production. The point is they believe he will be an outlier and exception to those rules (like a Hunter).

Disagree all you want about him as a prospect, but you’re coming off a bit stubborn insisting he won’t be a 1st rounder just because YOU think he shouldn’t be. I didn’t think Isaiah Wilson should be a 1st going into the draft last year, but as it got closed it was becoming obvious that he would be. You’re allowing your personal opinion of the player to get in the way of reading the tea leaves IMO.