***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[louie aguiar]

6 cases out of 7 million people. What a disaster. This is going to get people killed. And it's going to create more vaccine hesitancy. These people don't understand cost-benefit analysis. They keep making mistakes by orders of magnitude. https://t.co/DQdvqoujHR

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 13, 2021

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well has your appointment been cancelled? The feds are just recommending that J&J be suspended....they aren't RULING it.

Yes, it's cancelled. Now it's a free for all trying to find another option.

[louie aguiar]

I don't understand the move to pause the J&J shot. Is it really about just six cases or is there something else?

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

I don't understand the move to pause the J&J shot. Is it really about just six cases or is there something else?

So, if im reading correctly, it was all women who were younger and of child bearing age. Reading that oral contraceptives have a much much higher rate in blood clots, could this be the issue and not the vaccine, or maybe the vaccine along with the oral contraceptives dont go well together?

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Everything has to get tested on humans at some point, I am sure you have extensively researched everything you have ever ingested.

Nope. But typically it takes years for vaccines to be approved and tested. I'll wait until they're done testing thanks.

[In58men]

The NFL informed clubs today any team employee who refuses a COVID-19 vaccination without “bona fide medical or religious ground” will be barred from Tier 1 or Tier 2 status, and thus have restricted access within the team facility and not work directly with players, per sources

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by In58men

The NFL informed clubs today any team employee who refuses a COVID-19 vaccination without “bona fide medical or religious ground” will be barred from Tier 1 or Tier 2 status, and thus have restricted access within the team facility and not work directly with players, per sources

Wow I hadn’t heard this

[In58men]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Wow I hadn’t heard this

It’s all over Twitter now.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

So, if im reading correctly, it was all women who were younger and of child bearing age. Reading that oral contraceptives have a much much higher rate in blood clots, could this be the issue and not the vaccine, or maybe the vaccine along with the oral contraceptives dont go well together?

sounds like the location of the clots and not knowing why a vaccine would trigger it is why they are looking into it

" The clots also appeared in unusual parts of the body, such as the brain and abdomen, rather than in the legs, where most deep-vein blood clots form."


But the finding leaves researchers wrestling with a medical mystery: why would a vaccine trigger such an unusual condition?

What kind of blood clots are we talking about?

The FDA says the clots are a rare and severe type that happen in the blood supply that drains the brain. It's called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis or CVST, and it is being seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets (a condition called thrombocytopenia).

The symptoms of CVST vary but they can include headache, blurred vision, fainting or loss of consciousness, loss of control over movement in part of the body, seizures.

The FDA has suggested that health care providers pause the use of the vaccine while the side effects are being studied. However, providers are not prohibited from using the vaccine if they feel the benefits to an individual patient outweigh the risks. The government is convening an expert review panel which will hold a public meeting Wednesday. Officials hope to resolve these safety questions in a matter of days.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Monticore

sounds like the location of the clots and not knowing why a vaccine would trigger it is why they are looking into it

" The clots also appeared in unusual parts of the body, such as the brain and abdomen, rather than in the legs, where most deep-vein blood clots form."


But the finding leaves researchers wrestling with a medical mystery: why would a vaccine trigger such an unusual condition?

What kind of blood clots are we talking about?

The FDA says the clots are a rare and severe type that happen in the blood supply that drains the brain. It's called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis or CVST, and it is being seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets (a condition called thrombocytopenia).

The symptoms of CVST vary but they can include headache, blurred vision, fainting or loss of consciousness, loss of control over movement in part of the body, seizures.

The FDA has suggested that health care providers pause the use of the vaccine while the side effects are being studied. However, providers are not prohibited from using the vaccine if they feel the benefits to an individual patient outweigh the risks. The government is convening an expert review panel which will hold a public meeting Wednesday. Officials hope to resolve these safety questions in a matter of days.

How are they going to solve this in days?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by R Clark

How are they going to solve this in days?

If they figure another cause for the clots they could resume tomorrow.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by R Clark

How are they going to solve this in days?

Just have everyone take daily aspirin.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

Just have everyone take daily aspirin.

The newer technology outperforming old tech wonder if that has ever happened before.

[Stewie]

Thanks to HyVee I'm getting the Pfizer vaccine tomorrow. Replaces the J and J I was supposed to get tomorrow.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

I don't understand the move to pause the J&J shot. Is it really about just six cases or is there something else?

Well, of course they aren’t going to say yet if there were more to be concerned about. Once anything gets out about side effects they can’t get that news back under wraps. Even now, you have to think the J&J shot is going to be a tough sell going forward if you have any choice at all.

At least here in Colorado the number of J&J shots given has only recently ramped up so if it takes two weeks or so for the effects to show up then there’s potentially a lot more people who have not yet reached the point where they would be experiencing these symptoms. I’m guessing those of us (myself included) who have gotten it so far as a larger test pool now to see what develops in terms of side effects over the next few weeks before they decide to resume using it or not. I doubt anyone will actually say that, but now that there’s a larger group of test subjects to study, why not wait and see what happens.