NFL requiring Covid Vaccination to a certain degree

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.

It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.

Buddy, I know the exact point you’re trying to make. And it’s just not really comparable. I thought I explained it pretty clearly in the other post. If not, we can just agree to disagree on this one. Hope all is well.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Buddy, I know the exact point you’re trying to make. And it’s just not really comparable. I thought I explained it pretty clearly in the other post. If not, we can just agree to disagree on this one. Hope all is well.

Of course we can agree to disagree. We're good. My hope is that some realize there is another disease out there that can be just as deadly to some, and that taking precautions to reduce the possibility of transmitting it to someone else where it could be fatal might be avoided.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.

Sure it does, no one can make that decision without knowing a rough percentage of risk that you're willing to take on. If a bad flu season is 60k deaths and Covid season is 600k, ten times the risk is pretty significant just to write off and say if you care about Covid you should care about the flu.

That would be like saying if you never drive because you're afraid of getting into a car accident, you shouldn't ever fly.... even though one is clearly more dangerous than the other.

I mean, I get what you're saying in a "you either value life or you don't", but we all take the level of risk we're comfortable with (for ourselves or others).

(and I do get a flu shot every year)

And while people's opinions of what a notable/terrible number of deaths is for any given thing, I'm far more dumbfounded by people getting the vaccine for the relatively more selfish reason of getting back to normal... especially when citing the whole 6 people in 7 million stat.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Sure it does, no one can make that decision without knowing a rough percentage of risk that you're willing to take on. If a bad flu season is 60k deaths and Covid season is 600k, ten times the risk is pretty significant just to write off and say if you care about Covid you should care about the flu.

That would be like saying if you never drive because you're afraid of getting into a car accident, you shouldn't ever fly.... even though one is clearly more dangerous than the other.

I mean, I get what you're saying in a "you either value life or you don't", but we all take the level of risk we're comfortable with (for ourselves or others).

(and I do get a flu shot every year)

And while people's opinions of what a notable/terrible number of deaths is for any given thing, I'm far more dumbfounded by people getting the vaccine for the relatively more selfish reason of getting back to normal... especially when citing the whole 6 people in 7 million stat.

I would never expect someone to have something injected into themselves they are afraid of. That isn't the point I was trying to make. I'm attempting to point out a flu shot might save someone else's life.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

I would never expect someone to have something injected into themselves they are afraid of. That isn't the point I was trying to make. I'm attempting to point out a flu shot might save someone else's life.

I know, that's the risk I'm talking about... the risk of spreading the flu or Covid to someone else.

And on average, I believe they estimate it's 3 times easier to spread Covid and the stats say a Covid season is 10 times deadlier than the worst flu season.

That should be taken into account.... wanting to save lives doesn't equate to wanting to save every life. If it did, I'd never get behind the wheel of a car again, especially not with anyone in the car with me.