Eric Fisher to the Colts

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I've never seen a guy get his dick sucked so much by the media for doing so little.

He drafted Darius Leonard. And a really awesome OG, but he needed to burn the 6th overall pick to get him. And that's about it.

Great job, Chris! Want a damn cookie?

Hitting on a couple draft picks doesn't make you an elite GM (particularly for positions that are harder to go bust on than others). Has he created a bank within his own salary cap structure where cash can be "withdrawn" through contract restructures? Has he devised the most creative and awesome contract for his QB the league has ever seen? Has he ever completely renovated an entire position group in the course of just 3 months of an offseason not once but TWICE?

He's absolutely the ultimate Carl. Dane is right. He'll get you a playoff team, but he's never going to make the moves that will put them over the top.

This is a little weak. Turay, Lewis, Braden Smith, Julien Blackmon, Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor, Khari Willis, Okereke, Anthony Walker, and Grover Stewart are all quality starters drafted in the 2nd round or later just in the past 3 years.

Ballard is a really good gm who got sucker punched when Luck retired. But overall, he’s done a fantastic job.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

This is a little weak. Turay, Lewis, Braden Smith, Julien Blackmon, Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor, Khari Willis, Okereke, Anthony Walker, and Grover Stewart are all quality starters drafted in the 2nd round or later just in the past 3 years.

Ballard is a really good gm who got sucker punched when Luck retired. But overall, he’s done a fantastic job.

Uhh... you're REALLY stretching it when you say all of those guys are "quality" starters. What you have are starters. Not all of them are quality.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Uhh... you're REALLY stretching it when you say all of those guys are "quality" starters. What you have are starters. Not all of them are quality.

Nah, all of those guys are quality starters, with the possible exception of Turay and Lewis, because they haven’t really been starters yet. Turay because of injury and Lewis because of Denico Autrys presence.

But they’ve done well when they’ve played and both of them will get a chance to start this season.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Nah, all of those guys are quality starters, with the possible exception of Turay and Lewis, because they haven’t really been starters yet. Turay because of injury and Lewis because of Denico Autrys presence.

But they’ve done well when they’ve played and both of them will get a chance to start this season.

Michael Pittman's a quality starter?

Uhh, no. Look, you PROJECT him to be a quality starter because you like what you've seen, but no, thus far he's not.

It'd be like one of us thinking Mecole Hardman is going to take the next step with an expanded role in year 3, so he's now a quality starter whereas up to this point, he's lucky if he's been anything more than another Demarcus Robinson.

And you can add Jonathan Taylor onto that same "not quite there yet" list.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Michael Pittman's a quality starter?

Uhh, no. Look, you PROJECT him to be a quality starter because you like what you've seen, but no, thus far he's not.

It'd be like one of us thinking Mecole Hardman is going to take the next step with an expanded role in year 3, so he's now a quality starter whereas up to this point, he's lucky if he's been anything more than another Demarcus Robinson.

And you can add Jonathan Taylor onto that same "not quite there yet" list.

I mean, I guess technically, you’re right.

Pittman had 40 catches and 500 yards despite only starting 8 games in his rookie season. There’s no reason to think he won’t continue to improve.

Taylor had almost 1200 yards and 11 touchdowns as a rookie and came on incredibly strong to finish the season. If you can’t call him a quality starter, I’m not sure you can call ANYONE a quality starter.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I mean, I guess technically, you’re right.

Pittman had 40 catches and 500 yards despite only starting 8 games in his rookie season. There’s no reason to think he won’t continue to improve.

Taylor had almost 1200 yards and 11 touchdowns as a rookie and came on incredibly strong to finish the season. If you can’t call him a quality starter, I’m not sure you can call ANYONE a quality starter.

What was he doing the other 8 games? Sitting on the bench with his thumb up his ass?

Mecole Hardman started only FIVE games his rookie year and did the same 500 yards, but he also produced 6 TDs to Pittman's 1 TD.

There's no reason to think he won't improve, other than the history of the NFL is LITTERED with dudes like Pittman who end up never quite putting it all together, at least not consistently. Maybe he'll have a nice Derrick Alexander-like career and one day have a breakout season on a shitty team that forces him the ball. Maybe he'll be more than that. Who knows. It's just funny you put him on the list of BALLARD QUALITY STARTERZ!!!

But in any case, you're REALLY overrating your GM's draft prowess. Again, I didn't say Ballard was a piece of shit at drafting. My initial argument was people suck his dick way too much for how little he's actually done. He's far from an elite GM. He's not top 5, and I don't even think I'd rank him above somebody like Rick Spielman in Minnesota, who has drafts NFL stars far more frequently than somebody like Ballard.

There's nothing wrong with being early era Carl Peterson. You get to go to the playoffs a bunch, and many of those years you get people excited about your chances. It will all come crashing down until Ballard grows a pair and stops being a ****ing pussy in free agency, though.

[Buehler445]

Good for Fish. I’m a fisher fan even though like most of the rest of us I was like the angry guy in the GIF (who we all think was milkman RIP). But turned out to be a good player and a good pick in that garbage draft.

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I've never seen a guy get his dick sucked so much by the media for doing so little.

He drafted Darius Leonard. And a really awesome OG, but he needed to burn the 6th overall pick to get him. And that's about it.

Great job, Chris! Want a damn cookie?

Hitting on a couple draft picks doesn't make you an elite GM (particularly for positions that are harder to go bust on than others). Has he created a bank within his own salary cap structure where cash can be "withdrawn" through contract restructures? Has he devised the most creative and awesome contract for his QB the league has ever seen? Has he ever completely renovated an entire position group in the course of just 3 months of an offseason not once but TWICE?

He's absolutely the ultimate Carl. Dane is right. He'll get you a playoff team, but he's never going to make the moves that will put them over the top.

Ultimately I think Ballard is a “value” guy. He’s not going to overpay.

Well guess what, sometimes overpaying is ****ing worth it. I’ve preached forever production per unit salary cap. But on the aggregate you need to pay a team that will make the necessary plays to win. Sure if you have a guy that can make 75% of the plays a star can at 40% salary cap dollars that’s a good value. It is. But if you have no one on the roster that can make the other 25% of the plays, you’re mediocre.

The strict value thing only works if you can get playmakers somewhere at a value. Belicheat did it for years because He fell ass backwards into an elite QB. But pick like Belicheat and you’ll be out of a job in 3 years.

And to be fair they may have done it in Wentz. It it turns out it was all Pedersens fault, Ballard will have knocked a home run. But that seems .... unlikely.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Indy lucks into getting Luck with the first overall draft pick in 2012 after Manning's injury... transitioning from one franchise QB to another... while the Chiefs do their usual "Because the Chiefs" and get the first overall draft pick a year later in arguably the weakest first round draft in modern history, taking Fisher #1 overall.

And fast forward about a decade later and the Chiefs are set with Mahomes/OBJ at left tackle, while the Colts are attempting a Wentz/Fisher broke dick combination.

Karma.

Wrong. Karma would be Irsay sells their Lombardi all their players and staff for drug money and Lucas Oil Stadium is a crackhouse for the foreseeable future. Then after Irsay gets shanked because he blew all his money on drugs the NFL doesn’t put another franchise in the city.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

This is a little weak. Turay, Lewis, Braden Smith, Julien Blackmon, Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor, Khari Willis, Okereke, Anthony Walker, and Grover Stewart are all quality starters drafted in the 2nd round or later just in the past 3 years.

Ballard is a really good gm who got sucker punched when Luck retired. But overall, he’s done a fantastic job.

No

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No

Lol. No? That’s it?

Which one of those guys aren’t quality starters?

Also, a quibble-Stewart and Walker were both drafted in 18, I believe. 4 years ago, not 3. Stewart in the 4th, Walker in the 5th.

Stewart resigned with the Colts and Walker signed with Minnesota in free agency.