***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Nah that’s over

Everyone has made their choice at this point. Let the chips fall where they may

[Tnerped]

Lots of people getting sick December 2019, huh?

Shit ran through my family during that time too and I've had 1 other fever ever in my life.. and I was 6. Whatever it was hit me like a truck and I ended up sleeping for almost 24 hours. I woke up with my bed drenched in sweat, but I felt better besides a lingering cough that eventually got better.

My sister, considering she's overweight and pre diabetic, got hit the hardest and was out for 2 weeks. I've only worn masks when forced and had been going to quite a few bars when they were still open the first time. Makes you think, but I could care less.


...I'm not getting vaccinated.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Tnerped

Lots of people getting sick December 2019, huh?



Shit ran through my family during that time too and I've had 1 other fever ever in my life.. and I was 6. Whatever it was hit me like a truck and I ended up sleeping for almost 24 hours. I woke up with my bed drenched in sweat, but I felt better besides a lingering cough that eventually got better.



My sister, considering she's overweight and pre diabetic, got hit the hardest and was out for 2 weeks. I've only worn masks when forced and had been going to quite a few bars when they were still open the first time. Makes you think, but I could care less.





...I'm not getting vaccinated.

That's quite the non-sequitur.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Tnerped

Lots of people getting sick December 2019, huh?



Shit ran through my family during that time too and I've had 1 other fever ever in my life.. and I was 6. Whatever it was hit me like a truck and I ended up sleeping for almost 24 hours. I woke up with my bed drenched in sweat, but I felt better besides a lingering cough that eventually got better.



My sister, considering she's overweight and pre diabetic, got hit the hardest and was out for 2 weeks. I've only worn masks when forced and had been going to quite a few bars when they were still open the first time. Makes you think, but I could care less.





...I'm not getting vaccinated.

Lol alright

[NotDonger]

The UK recorded the most coronavirus cases in a day since mid-February, amid warnings the current wave of infections driven by the highly transmissible delta variant may still be weeks from peaking.

More than 11,000 new cases of the disease were reported on Thursday, along with 19 deaths, according to the Department Health. A study by Public Health England showed infection rates increasing across all age groups, but are highest among people aged 20 to 29. Separately, the government said eight in 10 adults have now had their first vaccine dose.

The data illustrates how the delta variant, first identified in India, upended the government’s plan to lift remaining pandemic restrictions this month. Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced a four-week delay on Monday to allow more adults to receive a second dose of the vaccine, which data show significantly increases protection against the new strain.

“It is important to take up the offer of the vaccine to protect yourself and others," PHE Medical Director Yvonne Doyle said in an emailed statement. “Case rates have increased across all age groups and regions around England, and we are seeing further increases in hospitalizations."

Research from Imperial College London published Thursday found the prevalence of Covid-19 in England is increasing exponentially, driven by younger age groups that haven’t been vaccinated.

The current infection surge will “definitely" lead to more hospital admissions and deaths, England’s Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty told a medical conference on Thursday, according to the Press Association.

“The height of that surge is still uncertain and we’ll have to see how this goes over the next several weeks," he said. He also warned the National Health Service should brace for another wave of infections over the winter.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

The UK recorded the most coronavirus cases in a day since mid-February, amid warnings the current wave of infections driven by the highly transmissible delta variant may still be weeks from peaking.

More than 11,000 new cases of the disease were reported on Thursday, along with 19 deaths, according to the Department Health. A study by Public Health England showed infection rates increasing across all age groups, but are highest among people aged 20 to 29. Separately, the government said eight in 10 adults have now had their first vaccine dose.

The data illustrates how the delta variant, first identified in India, upended the government’s plan to lift remaining pandemic restrictions this month. Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced a four-week delay on Monday to allow more adults to receive a second dose of the vaccine, which data show significantly increases protection against the new strain.

“It is important to take up the offer of the vaccine to protect yourself and others," PHE Medical Director Yvonne Doyle said in an emailed statement. “Case rates have increased across all age groups and regions around England, and we are seeing further increases in hospitalizations."

Research from Imperial College London published Thursday found the prevalence of Covid-19 in England is increasing exponentially, driven by younger age groups that haven’t been vaccinated.

The current infection surge will “definitely" lead to more hospital admissions and deaths, England’s Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty told a medical conference on Thursday, according to the Press Association.

“The height of that surge is still uncertain and we’ll have to see how this goes over the next several weeks," he said. He also warned the National Health Service should brace for another wave of infections over the winter.

Don't worry. We have the "miracle drug" ivermictin to treat people now. No need to get the vaccine.

[O.city]

The “delay the second dose” probably wasn’t the best idea.

[O.city]

A lot of stuff out now that the delta variant isn’t really causing much difference than alpha

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by O.city

A lot of stuff out now that the delta variant isn’t really causing much difference than alpha

Could you be more specific?

[O.city]

Just some studies I’ve glanced at on Twitter

I’ll see if I can find them

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just some studies I’ve glanced at on Twitter

I’ll see if I can find them

Would be interested in taking a look as well. Would be welcome news.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

The “delay the second dose” probably wasn’t the best idea.

No. I didn't think it was a good idea when the UK brought it up in the first place. I'm glad the FDA, CDC, whoever it was didn't adopt that strategy here.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just some studies I’ve glanced at on Twitter

I’ll see if I can find them

Not sure if this is what you were seeing, but Public Health England has some preliminary calculations out regarding the variants:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_16.pdf

If I'm reading it correctly, Delta has a CFR or 0.3% vs. 2.0% for Alpha (see page 8), so that's somewhat good news at least. If that holds, we'll probably see cases continuing to be a problem, but in theory deaths shouldn't track as they have in the past.

[suzzer99]

CFR change could be entirely a function of old/vulnerable being mostly vaccinated now.

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Not sure if this is what you were seeing, but Public Health England has some preliminary calculations out regarding the variants:

If I'm reading it correctly, Delta has a CFR or 0.3% vs. 2.0% for Alpha (see page 8), so that's somewhat good news at least. If that holds, we'll probably see cases continuing to be a problem, but in theory deaths shouldn't track as they have in the past.

Interesting, thanks. I wonder if that has to do with the age demographic being hit hardest by Delta. And, 2% CFR... Yikes.