***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[NotDonger]

This may have been posted previously, but just in case for those concerned about the safety of the vaccines:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of June 14, 2021, more than 11.7 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 36 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.

To date, one confirmed case of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) has been reported to VAERS after more than 310 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of June 14, 2021, VAERS has received 511 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 323 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 310 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,343 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

[Red Beans]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/fl...eak/index.html

I have absolutely lost all sympathy for the anti-vax crowd. My first response after reading this was, "Good."

My sense of empathy is totally wiped out. It was probably part of the Soros master plan all along.

[Kiimo]

These kind of stories will become more prevalent as time goes by. Do you think they will influence anti-vaxxers to get the shot?



Or do you think it will just create new and more interesting conspiracy theories?



Preemptive what does your heart tell you

[Red Beans]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

These kind of stories will become more prevalent as time goes by. Do you think they will influence anti-vaxxers to get the shot?



Or do you think it will just create new and more interesting conspiracy theories?



Preemptive what does your heart tell you

Unfortunately, it will be the latter... I think most people anti-vaxxers will require someone they are close to, to be hospitalized to get the point across...

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Red Beans

I have absolutely lost all sympathy for the anti-vax crowd. My first response after reading this was, "Good."

My sense of empathy is totally wiped out. It was probably part of the Soros master plan all along.

Absolutely, I've given up so much of my time, and by extension my youth, to assist in keeping people safe by social distancing and other preventive measures to "do my part". My sympathy has quickly shifted to schadenfreude. These ignorant dopes are doing more to prolong COVID than the masksexuals are.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Red Beans

I think most people anti-vaxxers will require someone they are close to, to be hospitalized to get the point across...

I know exactly ONE person that has not been vaccinated, and they just had a friend of a friend die from the new Covid variant. They still say "I will probably get it eventually".

Kinda sad because they are normally the opposite of an anti-vaxxer, and trusts science. I don't know what the deal is with this vaccine.

[O.city]

It will be interesting to see all the places that used a heavy hand to try and suppress this come out of it now. With no immunity built up, they're gonna have some issues.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by sedated

I know exactly ONE person that has not been vaccinated, and they just had a friend of a friend die from the new Covid variant. They still say "I will probably get it eventually".

Kinda sad because they are normally the opposite of an anti-vaxxer, and trusts science. I don't know what the deal is with this vaccine.

Just curious - do you live in a retirement community? I’m in suburban KC and majority of people I know are not vaccinated. Probably 30% are. (But all the old people are.)

[KS Smitty]

A friend of mine has it and was vaccinated, not sure if Moderna or Pfizer. Her unvaccinated son has it also. She has COPD and cares for elderly parents so she had no problem with the vaccine.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

These kind of stories will become more prevalent as time goes by. Do you think they will influence anti-vaxxers to get the shot?



Or do you think it will just create new and more interesting conspiracy theories?



Preemptive what does your heart tell you

Not the hard core ones. But there seem to be a lot of "I just want to wait and see" people still trickling in. The US seems to have leveled off and even gone up a tick at 1.1M shots/day - which is encouraging.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-in-your-state

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

A friend of mine has it and was vaccinated, not sure if Moderna or Pfizer. Her unvaccinated son has it also. She has COPD and cares for elderly parents so she had no problem with the vaccine.

You can still get it when you're vaccinated. But Moderna and Pfizer have been close to 100% at keeping people out of the hospital.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

A friend of mine has it and was vaccinated, not sure if Moderna or Pfizer. Her unvaccinated son has it also. She has COPD and cares for elderly parents so she had no problem with the vaccine.

Hopefully she does ok.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Hopefully she does ok.

In theory, the vaccine should help prevent it from getting too serious at least. Best of luck to her regardless.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by wazu

Just curious - do you live in a retirement community? I’m in suburban KC and majority of people I know are not vaccinated. Probably 30% are. (But all the old people are.)

There's no question that it depends on your peer group. From the polls I've seen, you're less likely to get the vaccine if you are middle-aged, non-college-educated, or politically conservative. If the people you interact with are none of those, rates are going to be very high. If you interact with people who are all of those, rates are going to be very low.

I'm 1 of the 3. I'd guess that around 80% of the people I interact with are vaccinated.

[NotDonger]

The Cleveland Clinic on Tuesday released a study showing that 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated, according to data provided to Axios.

Why it matters: Real-world evidence continues to show coronavirus vaccines are effective at keeping people from dying and out of hospitals. The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have been found to be 95% and 94% effective, respectively, at preventing symptomatic infections.

Details: The study also looked at 47,000 Cleveland Clinic employees who had received one shot, both shots or no shots at all.

• The Cleveland Clinic found that 99.7% of its employees who were infected with the coronavirus were not vaccinated, and 0.3% of infections occurred in those who were fully vaccinated.
  
• The study found that in this group, mRNA vaccines were more than 96% effective in protecting against coronavirus infections.