***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Swanman

You are not going to change his mind. He is willing to twist himself into a pretzel with his false equivalencies to justify his idiotic anti-vax standpoint.

It has become abundantly clear in the last 18 months that the country is infested with stupid and easily manipulated people. I wish there was a vaccine for stupidity but the dumbasses wouldn't take that one either.

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Now if their Dr prescribed it for them that'd be different.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

In this thread, getting a vaccine has been compared multiple times to wearing a seatbelt.

If I ever didn't wear a seatbelt, got into an accident, and died, so be it. It's done and over quickly.

But if I didn't wear a seatbelt, got into an accident, and had to live paralyzed for the rest of my life, knowing that if I had just put the seatbelt on things would've been different, that would be the most painful experience of all.

I cannot imagine how some of these people feel in their last moments with that very simple thought. That alone would push me toward getting vaccinated if I were ever on the fence.

And all of the above isn't even considering that getting vaccinated is actually doing a societal good. Actually being patriotic. Actually sacrificing if your initial inclination is to avoid it.

I heard the analogy of the vaccine is like airbags and masks are like seat belts. Either one can save you, but combined your likelihood of something severe is minuscule. If anything does happen imagine how bad it would have been without those safety measures.
Everyone should have airbags and use seatbelts just like everyone should be vaccinated and use masks.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Swanman

It's a shame for his friends and family and that's on him.

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There you go again, spreading false narratives.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Swanman

You are not going to change his mind.

I'm aware. Just trying to understand some of the thought process.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Swanman

You are not going to change his mind. He is willing to twist himself into a pretzel with his false equivalencies to justify his idiotic anti-vax standpoint.


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Feel better?

It's funny watching you attach labels and motives for me.

Powerball numbers?

Do you do this to people in real life too, or just on the internet hiding behind your computer?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm aware..Just trying to understand...

Not your job, nor your responsibility.

[MahomesMagic]

Some Biden officials see booster shots as increasingly likely

Between the lines: The amount of neutralizing antibodies a person has following their first two doses of Pfizer and Moderna's coronavirus vaccines appears to drop over time, which is a very normal thing to happen with vaccines.

The outstanding scientific question has been what that means for the person's overall protection against the virus, especially because neutralizing antibodies aren't the body's only form of immunity.

Some Biden officials are increasingly convinced that high levels of neutralizing antibodies correlate with a higher degree of protection against illness. They worry that means that as more time passes, vaccinated people may be increasingly vulnerable to mild, moderate or even severe disease, a Biden official told Axios.

The New York Times first reported on Friday that Biden administration health officials increasingly think that vulnerable populations will need booster shots.

This growing consensus is "tied in part to research suggesting that the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the coronavirus after about six months," per the NYT.

Vaccine manufacturers have been warning for months that some Americans could require booster shots as soon as September.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/biden-offi...090012247.html

[Discuss Thrower]

DRM-une system.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by stevieray

There you go again, spreading false narratives.

Your friends and family are more likely to be taken ill by covid because you're not vaccinated.

You may feel like the risk is negligible (and that's entirely reasonable), but please clearly explain how the above statement is a false narrative.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...244478977?s=21

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Some Biden officials see booster shots as increasingly likely

Between the lines: The amount of neutralizing antibodies a person has following their first two doses of Pfizer and Moderna's coronavirus vaccines appears to drop over time, which is a very normal thing to happen with vaccines.

The outstanding scientific question has been what that means for the person's overall protection against the virus, especially because neutralizing antibodies aren't the body's only form of immunity.

Some Biden officials are increasingly convinced that high levels of neutralizing antibodies correlate with a higher degree of protection against illness. They worry that means that as more time passes, vaccinated people may be increasingly vulnerable to mild, moderate or even severe disease, a Biden official told Axios.

The New York Times first reported on Friday that Biden administration health officials increasingly think that vulnerable populations will need booster shots.

This growing consensus is "tied in part to research suggesting that the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the coronavirus after about six months," per the NYT.

Vaccine manufacturers have been warning for months that some Americans could require booster shots as soon as September.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/biden-offi...090012247.html

Severely immunocompromised it would make sense

Maybe the elderly

Study out of the Uk or Canada I don’t remember showed spacing the doses to 8 weeks gives a bit more durable response

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Severely immunocompromised it would make sense

Maybe the elderly

Study out of the Uk or Canada I don’t remember showed spacing the doses to 8 weeks gives a bit more durable response

Sure, that's how they start it.

I believe they will get everyone on these eventually.

Moderna's stock price depends on it.

[O.city]

I doubt it

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Some Biden officials see booster shots as increasingly likely

Between the lines: The amount of neutralizing antibodies a person has following their first two doses of Pfizer and Moderna's coronavirus vaccines appears to drop over time, which is a very normal thing to happen with vaccines.

The outstanding scientific question has been what that means for the person's overall protection against the virus, especially because neutralizing antibodies aren't the body's only form of immunity.

Some Biden officials are increasingly convinced that high levels of neutralizing antibodies correlate with a higher degree of protection against illness. They worry that means that as more time passes, vaccinated people may be increasingly vulnerable to mild, moderate, or even severe disease, a Biden official told Axios.

The New York Times first reported on Friday that Biden administration health officials increasingly think that vulnerable populations will need booster shots.

This growing consensus is "tied in part to research suggesting that the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the coronavirus after about six months," per the NYT.

Vaccine manufacturers have been warning for months that some Americans could require booster shots as soon as September.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/biden-offi...090012247.html

Do you see the name of this thread?
Keep your politics out of it. If that means you cannot post an article then find a different article. This has been talked about ad nauseam.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I heard the analogy of the vaccine is like airbags.

If only that was true. You would have to go to some work to disable the airbags.