***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by sedated

It always seems like a bit of a hypocrisy - same reason people quote the CDC for some things but say they are full of ish for other things, or spout off about how the FDA hasn't approved the vaccine but then say the FDA is a fraud in other scenarios.

And this happens on both sides. I'm not really sure why people go back to the "protecting others" argument for the vaccine, while knowing full well that everyone has the option to get the vaccine. (I know, I know...variants)

I get that, and to some extent I agree with you. However, it's all about where this course of action takes us:

Option A:
-We top out at about 70% of people who get the vaccine
-There's enough spread that we are constantly dealing with slight hits to the vaccines' effectiveness and likely have to deal with regular booster shots
-We'll continue to see surges in cases, which result in local restrictions here and there (masks, capacity, etc.)
-A vast majority of people who die are unvaccinated, but a handful of people who are vaccinated die as well

Option B:
-We get up in the range of 90%+ vaccinated
-There aren't enough unvaccinated people for it to spread much
-Restrictions are extremely rare if not entirely nonexistent
-Because of that, there aren't many deaths among the remaining unvaccinated, let alone people who are vaccinated
-Eventually, the goal might be to eliminate it altogether (though admittedly, that's something that will likely take worldwide efforts for decades)

I generally think that everyone's had their chance and that I don't really care if people don't want it to get it, but I do feel bad for:
1. Healthcare workers
2. People who can't get the vaccine due to other health complications
3. The unlucky ones for whom the vaccine doesn't work
4. Anyone involved in hospitality or tourism, which is doomed to a constant state of uncertainty

[suzzer99]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...253255273.html

Florida reported 16,935 new COVID cases, 140 deaths and more than 12,000 people hospitalized in the state as of Tuesday, the third day in a row of record-breaking COVID hospitalizations as Florida hospitals temporarily suspend elective surgeries to conserve staff and make room for infected patients, the majority of them younger and unvaccinated.

From another forum:

I live in one of the problem areas, and healthcare seems to be simply crushed here.

My wife has been trying to get her elderly mother to a doc for excruciating back pain for two days. Can't get her in to see her PCP either by appt or walk-in. Can't get her in to see the guy who did her back surgery ten years ago without a new referral. Couldn't get her seen when they walked into a back clinic advertising evaluations to walk-ins. Went to an urgent care clinic twice and the wait was an indeterminate number of hours both times so they left. Went to one ER and were told the wait would be hours and there was no place for her to lie down while waiting to be seen as all rooms were full and they had patients waiting in three different hallways to be seen by the ER. They have been considering calling an ambulance to try to get her into an ER and may end up going that route since she is driving my wife crazy. Unbelievable.

This is why this shit matters. Your idiocy doesn't just affect you, it put a huge strain on the system and affects all of us. We don't live in the wild west where you just go die in a field and get eaten by coyotes.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don’t think we can dumb it down any further so , it’s complicated.

You can't summarize why he's a quack?

How shocking!

[suzzer99]

You haven't listened to any of the well-thought out posts yet. Why should others do homework for you just so you can instantly dismiss it out of hand?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

You can't summarize why he's a quack?

How shocking!

Why do you think is isn’t one?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's hard to believe anyone would think

No, it's not. Not for you anyway,

You've been thinking for other people since this started.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

@ABC: JUST IN: Nearly 72,000 children in the U.S. tested positive for COVID-19 last week—a massive jump from the approximately 39,000 cases among kids one week earlier. https://abcn.ws/3jndNzc

Jesus.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stevieray

No, it's not. Not for you anyway,

You've been thinking for other people since this started.

We can always trust you to chime in with an irrelevant snipe at people for no reason.

[suzzer99]

H. Scott Apley, Chair of Galveston County Texas GOP, Mocked COVID Days Before He Died of Virus https://t.co/xrLe9hkBSx

— SWCC Vet CJ (@SWCC5) August 4, 2021

At least he did his own research.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

You can't summarize why he's a quack?

How shocking!

Can you explain why is isn’t one and why anybody should trust him more than doctors ru Ning large ICU s all over the world.

[suzzer99]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-dies-of-covid

A “fit and healthy” 42-year-old who loved climbing mountains and lifting weights has died of Covid-19 after refusing to get vaccinated, leaving his twin sister and mother heartbroken.

The two women warned others not to think they are invulnerable to the dangers of the virus.

The father of one, John Eyers, a construction expert from Southport in Merseyside, was described by his sister Jenny McCann as “the fittest, healthiest person I know”.

She added that her brother had been climbing Welsh mountains and camping in the wild four weeks before his death.

But he was left in intensive care after catching coronavirus, and told his consultant before he was ventilated that he wished he had been vaccinated. His twin said his death was “a tragedy”.

Healthcare workers and Covid patients have increasingly spoken out about feeling a sense of regret about being unvaccinated once they fall seriously ill.

Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, a senior intensive care registrar, said she had come across only one patient in critical care who had received both vaccination doses, and that the “vast majority” of people she was seeing were “completely unvaccinated”.

Batt-Rawden said it was difficult to witness the look of regret on patients’ faces when they became unwell and needed to go on a ventilator.

“You can see it dawn on them that they potentially made the biggest mistake of their lives [in not getting the vaccine], which is really hard,” she said, adding that she had overheard people telling family members about their remorse.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Can you explain why is isn’t one and why anybody should trust him more than doctors ru Ning large ICU s all over the world.

So you're basically saying he's lying about it simply because it wasn't a widely-used treatment? Even though we already know why it wasn't widely used?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

So you're basically saying he's lying about it simply because it wasn't a widely-used treatment? Even though we already know why it wasn't widely used?

He lied about his trial being FDA approved, what makes you think he is qualified to run any type of trial?
Any doctor making claims about have a 100% effective drug towards any disease should set off some red flags, but the medical world still did their due diligence and like Daface said and all the studies Fish linked it came to the conclusion it didn’t make a significant difference and in some cases caused harm .

If it worked they would use it

You remind me of that lady at 46 sec

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJD1Iw...ature=youtu.be

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

H. Scott Apley, Chair of Galveston County Texas GOP, Mocked COVID Days Before He Died of Virus https://t.co/xrLe9hkBSx

— SWCC Vet CJ (@SWCC5) August 4, 2021

At least he did his own research.

Ts and Ps, yo.

[dlphg9]

Raidersofthecellar is doing a ****ing perfect "Pete" impression. Well done! Just keep making yourself look dumb as hell and ignore what everyone else is saying, then call them idiots for not listening to shit that was discussed like a year ago or more.