***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by wazu

From my conversations with health professionals, I thought all hospitals had already mandated. Like, mandated last December. Surprised to hear this is a new thing anywhere.

Only 1 hospital in KC has mandated it so far. I am sure more will when it gets fully approved.

Originally Posted by jdubya

Just curious....what is her plan B? I live here in Ca and have buddy who is dating a "traveling" nurse from Michigan. She is out here in Ca 6-8 months a year making insane money. I wonder if that is what your ex is thinking?

I have no idea and can't see her doing that. She will probably move from job to job until she can't. I find this amusing and pathetic. Just get the ****ing shot jfc.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I hadn't really thought about the vaccine requirements in terms of people who have recovered from Covid, and my 30 second search uncovered this one article about it.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...cientists-urge

...that's one of the more interesting debates about all of this, IMO, because just like with the vaccine, it's not about whether you can get Covid again, but about your chances of being hospitalized for Covid the 2nd/3rd/nth time.

Granted, I think you'd still need a good reason not to get vaccinated beyond recovering from Covid, especially if the reality becomes proof of vaccine to do stuff.

Honestly it is asinine and unscientific to insist that those who have had COVID get vaxxed. Everything I've read on it says natural infection provides equal protection as vaccination. Your article isn't particularly science based.

If a person decides to get vaxxed after having COVID, good for them. I have a couple family members who did so and some friends. It isn't like we have a shortage of doses for literally everyone in the USA.

It probably isn't necessary and likely doesn't add any real protection beyond peace of mind. People who survived COVID shouldn't be shamed or forced to get the shots.

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/n...li-study-shows

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Honestly it is asinine and unscientific to insist that those who have had COVID get vaxxed. Everything I've read on it says natural infection provides equal protection as vaccination. Your article isn't particularly science based.

If a person decides to get vaxxed after having COVID, good for them. I have a couple family members who did so and some friends. It isn't like we have a shortage of doses for literally everyone in the USA.

It probably isn't necessary and likely doesn't add any real protection beyond peace of mind. People who survived COVID shouldn't be shamed or forced to get the shots.

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/n...li-study-shows

The problem is how do you know you were sick enough to have protection? This guy thought he was protected, but apparently not.

“After surviving a mild covid-19 case last year, Campbell said he thought he had the antibodies to ward off future infection. Now, he worries the decision to delay the shot will cost him his life, as he fights pneumonia and a partially collapsed lung.”https://t.co/3S1XE50gWw

— Patrick Thornton (@pwthornton) August 6, 2021

[wazu]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The problem is how do you know you were sick enough to have protection? This guy thought he was protected, but apparently not.

“After surviving a mild covid-19 case last year, Campbell said he thought he had the antibodies to ward off future infection. Now, he worries the decision to delay the shot will cost him his life, as he fights pneumonia and a partially collapsed lung.”https://t.co/3S1XE50gWw

— Patrick Thornton (@pwthornton) August 6, 2021

Would be curious if he actually tested positive for COVID during his "mild" infection. Or if he's one of the million people who had some kind of sickness in 2020 that they "think" was COVID.

[wazu]

By the way, Travis Campbell has somehow worked his way into being a celebrity COVID victim. If he survives he should write a book and go on tour.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by wazu

Would be curious if he actually tested positive for COVID during his "mild" infection. Or if he's one of the million people who had some kind of sickness in 2020 that they "think" was COVID.

I feel like WaPo would have vetted that. But who knows.

Their family doesn’t watch the news much, she added, and they weren’t tracking the resurgence of coronavirus cases across the country.

“It wasn’t that we didn’t want to get vaccinated or were scared of it,” James Campbell said. “I had no idea covid had gotten bad [again] until Travis got sick.”

That is a serious lack of news bubble. I wonder what % of the country lives like that.

[O.city]

Interesting preprint showing that

(a) mRNA vaccines produce a pretty good neutralizing titer even 5 mo after last dose, even against Delta

(b) titer produced by vaccines is HIGHER and more durable than that from NATURAL infection

(c) Moderna > Pfizer

https://t.co/J9v7rIgZVE pic.twitter.com/AnaETukV3k

— Yuri Deigin (@ydeigin) August 6, 2021

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

Interesting preprint showing that

(a) mRNA vaccines produce a pretty good neutralizing titer even 5 mo after last dose, even against Delta

(b) titer produced by vaccines is HIGHER and more durable than that from NATURAL infection

(c) Moderna > Pfizer

https://t.co/J9v7rIgZVE pic.twitter.com/AnaETukV3k

— Yuri Deigin (@ydeigin) August 6, 2021

have they done studies on patients who had COVID plus only 1 shot of the vaccine .

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

Interesting preprint showing that

(a) mRNA vaccines produce a pretty good neutralizing titer even 5 mo after last dose, even against Delta

(b) titer produced by vaccines is HIGHER and more durable than that from NATURAL infection

(c) Moderna > Pfizer

https://t.co/J9v7rIgZVE pic.twitter.com/AnaETukV3k

— Yuri Deigin (@ydeigin) August 6, 2021

Too bad it doesn't work that way in the real world.

But I'm glad that they made a study.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

Interesting preprint showing that

(a) mRNA vaccines produce a pretty good neutralizing titer even 5 mo after last dose, even against Delta

(b) titer produced by vaccines is HIGHER and more durable than that from NATURAL infection

(c) Moderna > Pfizer

https://t.co/J9v7rIgZVE pic.twitter.com/AnaETukV3k

— Yuri Deigin (@ydeigin) August 6, 2021

Text summary on the link says that people recovered from COVID have more effective B Cells, and then says they may have even better with a vaccionation booster. If I read it right, it said not much boost for just those who have not had COVID but been vaccinated by an additional booster.

We conclude that memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination. These results suggest that boosting vaccinated individuals with currently available mRNA vaccines would produce a quantitative increase in plasma neutralizing activity but not the qualitative advantage against variants obtained by vaccinating convalescent individuals.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Too bad it doesn't work that way in the real world.

But I'm glad that they made a study.

It was a study done on a real world cohort. So I’m not sure your implication here.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The problem is how do you know you were sick enough to have protection? This guy thought he was protected, but apparently not.

“After surviving a mild covid-19 case last year, Campbell said he thought he had the antibodies to ward off future infection. Now, he worries the decision to delay the shot will cost him his life, as he fights pneumonia and a partially collapsed lung.”https://t.co/3S1XE50gWw

— Patrick Thornton (@pwthornton) August 6, 2021

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good...dy-protection/

“People with mild cases of COVID-19 clear the virus from their bodies two to three weeks after infection, so there would be no virus driving an active immune response seven or 11 months after infection,” Ellebedy said. “These cells are not dividing. They are quiescent, just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely.”

People need to have proof that they actually had COVID, not that they "think" they had it because of some mild cold.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Text summary on the link says that people recovered from COVID have more effective B Cells, and then says they may have even better with a vaccionation booster. If I read it right, it said not much boost for just those who have not had COVID but been vaccinated by an additional booster.

I believe it would be likely that a single dose vaccination would produce a more polyclonal antibody which would widen the response range. But that's just my read on it.

[MahomesMagic]

We conclude that memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination. These results suggest that boosting vaccinated individuals with currently available mRNA vaccines would produce a quantitative increase in plasma neutralizing activity but not the qualitative advantage against variants obtained by vaccinating convalescent individuals.

Well, that is what we have seen so far.

[O.city]

Yeah, looks like at this point, there wouldn't be any reason to vaccinate someone who has had previous infection.

Maybe a single dose that would be specifically geared to Delta, but I don't think it's drifted enough genetically to be necessary.