***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Yes he is.


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For now, until we get better data, I recommend one dose for healthy kids who have not already had COVID-19 in the past.


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Based on your own definition this guy has no common sense

It's tough. Anyone that strays even a bit from the orthodoxy is taken down.

Reading that made me thinks he wants to recommend healthy kids get 1 dose in the end he admits he doesn't have enough data to make a blanket recommendation.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Anyone that strays even a bit from the orthodoxy is taken down.

Nah.

Some of them probably get lumped into the extreme, just like you lump us into the opposite extreme, but I'd say the vast majority of rational discussion without obvious agendas at least get their due by those who aren't obsessed with the extremes. It's happened here several times lately with the force vaccination discussion.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by SupDock

At this point I don’t even know what you are saying. This is why I can only talk about this on the forum in small doses.

His only goal is to keep refusing to understand your points and basically copy-pasting endless stream of stuff from anti-vaxx sites - which takes you 10x the effort to debunk - until you finally get exhausted and give up. Then he can say, "See! I was right all along!"

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

His only goal is to keep refusing to understand your points and basically copy-pasting endless stream of stuff from anti-vaxx sites - which takes you 10x the effort to debunk - until you finally get exhausted and give up. Then he can say, "See! I was right all along!"

Did you know there was a study in California from May of last year....




....you won't believe what it says!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I like making ads.

I also know that anyone who would recommend these experimental vaccines to someone healthy, 25 years and under has zero common sense.

Explain your "common sense" angle here. What does that mean to you?

[Halfcan]

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine has been removed from all the Hy-Vee and CVS stores in Jackson county. They are using Pfizer now. According to the pharmacist at CVS- they were concerned with the blood-clotting issue.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by wazu

I actually worked with a healthy 25-year old who died of COVID in June.

3 kids to 1 adult got the Vax today at the Lee's Summit Hy Vee when I was there. Girl around 12 or 13 and two others, boy and girl probably 15. Their parents were making them get it.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

His only goal is to keep refusing to understand your points and basically copy-pasting endless stream of stuff from anti-vaxx sites - which takes you 10x the effort to debunk - until you finally get exhausted and give up. Then he can say, "See! I was right all along!"

Anti vax?

Do you realize how stupid you sound?


Why not just say, "Gibberish Gibberish Gibberish..my brain isn't working?"

Just curious, if someone takes 2 jabs and declines the third will you turn on them too as a traitor to your cause?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Explain your "common sense" angle here. What does that mean to you?

Risk-Benefits.

What are the benefits, what are the risks?

Talking about both is common sense.

[Sure-Oz]

@RexChapman: Dr. Catherine O’Neal from LSU breaks down the Delta variant — and why everyone should get vaccinated.

Take a measly three minutes and check it out. Then pass it on if you feel it…https://twitter.com/LSU/status/14233...998661/video/1

This is a good watch.

[Sure-Oz]

Accidentally posted above video twice. Edit

https://twitter.com/LSU/status/1423376894636998661?s=19

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Risk-Benefits.

What are the benefits, what are the risks?

Talking about both is common sense.

So, common-sense = numerical analyses? If so, I absolutely agree.

[suzzer99]

���� 27 y.o. Guillermo Javier Migliorini Izurieta from Mar del Plata, Argentina died from COVID despite receiving one dose of the Sinopharm? vaccine. The teacher posted frustrations about unventilated classrooms & selfishness of ppl. #SoulsLostToCovid�� 6/40https://t.co/Tx7ukqjVhZ pic.twitter.com/bEfOkTLlJG

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) June 10, 2021

����30 y.o. Stephania Gómez, Exatlón MX high-performance athlete participant from Chiapas, Mexico died from COVID on 6/1/2021. She was a biologist, practiced crossfit and placed third in the Jiu Jitsu world championship in 2018. #SoulsLostToCovid 18/40 https://t.co/HEmIySauor pic.twitter.com/4StBrV5uvW

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) June 19, 2021

���� 25 y.o. football star Deibert Frans Roman Guzmán from Beni, #Bolivia died from COVID. His father Belizario Roman, the former president of the club & uncle also died. The footballing trio lived in the same house with family. #SoulsLostToCovid 40/40 https://t.co/v5kD7J87se pic.twitter.com/gAyj1SE3I9

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) June 21, 2021

���� 27 y.o. Michael Ojo, former @FSUHoops center died from COVID on 9/27/2020. He was playing overseas in Serbia when he contracted the virus. He tried to bounce back, but was still short of breath, then collapsed & died during practice #SoulsLostToCovid https://t.co/leOKCggwkY… pic.twitter.com/cQun9DGziG

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) June 19, 2021

Clearly common sense says these people didn't need to get vaccinated. I can post 100s more of these. All healthy, all in their 20s or 30s. Just follow the thread.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Monticore

How do you know he isn't full of shit.

I'll take a wild guess that its because it reinforces his general point of view...

[MahomesMagic]

Feigl-Ding approved.

Folks—there is only one doctor I know who has fought #COVID19 on the front lines during **all 3 peaks/surges** from NYC to Arizona: @Cleavon_MD. He’s most mad that �� are full, restaurants still full, HCWs begging for masks, while many refuse to wear any! pic.twitter.com/o3fYYQ9MKi

— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) November 29, 2020

However, you don't get to join the ranks of the elite until you call one of the variants something awesome like "The Beast" or "Bone-Crusher".