***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Does clown porn count as fear porn?

only if it's constantly spammed in an attempt to get people to be afraid of clowns

[Otter]

Finally listened to what Joe Rogan had to say about COVID. Sure as hell to me it doesn't sound like he's telling people not to get the vaccine.

This should get millions of retweets. @joerogan is absolutely spot on. https://t.co/uw9DrnfA8c

— Matthew Marsden (@matthewdmarsden) August 7, 2021

[suzzer99]

34 y.o. Donavan Daniel, overnight shift leader in the furnace at Commercial Metals from Carthage Missouri died from COVID July 25, 2021. He was not vaccinated. He leaves a wife Stefani (vaccinated) & 2 kids Peighton, 10, and Ryleigh, 5. #SoulsLostToCovid https://t.co/UDstDum4pJ pic.twitter.com/MiASjVbpe6

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 7, 2021

Ok just a quick reality check and then I'll shut up for a few days. We all agree this guy should have gotten vaccinated, right? I'm hoping we can at least agree on that baseline. And if so - is there something we could/should be doing to get through to the Donovan Bailey's of the US better? I mean this is just sad, the dude is leaving behind 3 kids and it was completely preventable.

“We took masks very seriously, we really tried to cut down on the spread of COVID-19. We did not want to be those people who were out in the public living our lives and going on like this wasn’t happening. We wanted the spread to stop.” pic.twitter.com/Ag7Hvnyi8z

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 7, 2021

I guess something came out of it.

Stefani - "I've had close to 30 people reach out and tell me they’ve been vaccinated in his name, which I think is amazing.”

— Lois Patterson (@loisrp) August 8, 2021

[Nickhead]

honest question:

i was of the impression vaccines like flu, small pox, etc. were meant to suppress the virus and therefore pass on so called antibodies (sorry if using wrong term). isn't that what helped tamp down previous virus'?

where as this current covid delta is supposedly making the vaccinated a host and not killing the virus, only making it more transmissible to those around them?

im all for taking a covid vaccine but if what i have read is true, mRNA is not a 'vaccine' by definition?

[Otter]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Stefani - "I've had close to 30 people reach out and tell me they’ve been vaccinated in his name, which I think is amazing.”

— Lois Patterson (@loisrp) August 8, 2021

Where should I begin?

You're not helping.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

34 y.o. Donavan Daniel, overnight shift leader in the furnace at Commercial Metals from Carthage Missouri died from COVID July 25, 2021. He was not vaccinated. He leaves a wife Stefani (vaccinated) & 2 kids Peighton, 10, and Ryleigh, 5. #SoulsLostToCovid https://t.co/UDstDum4pJ pic.twitter.com/MiASjVbpe6

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 7, 2021

Ok just a quick reality check and then I'll shut up for a few days. We all agree this guy should have gotten vaccinated, right? I'm hoping we can at least agree on that baseline. And if so - is there something we could/should be doing to get through to the Donovan Bailey's of the US better? I mean this is just sad, the dude is leaving behind 3 kids and it was completely preventable.

“We took masks very seriously, we really tried to cut down on the spread of COVID-19. We did not want to be those people who were out in the public living our lives and going on like this wasn’t happening. We wanted the spread to stop.” pic.twitter.com/Ag7Hvnyi8z

— Cleavon MD �� (@Cleavon_MD) August 7, 2021

I guess something came out of it.

Stefani - "I've had close to 30 people reach out and tell me they’ve been vaccinated in his name, which I think is amazing.”

— Lois Patterson (@loisrp) August 8, 2021

The only take away I got from this is parents come up with some stupid ass names.

Peighton? Woof.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

honest question:

i was of the impression vaccines like flu, small pox, etc. were meant to suppress the virus and therefore pass on so called antibodies (sorry if using wrong term). isn't that what helped tamp down previous virus'?

where as this current covid delta is supposedly making the vaccinated a host and not killing the virus, only making it more transmissible to those around them?

im all for taking a covid vaccine but if what i have read is true, mRNA is not a 'vaccine' by definition?

They do not meet the clinical, legal or patenting definition of “vaccine.”

This is another important clue to Big Pharma’s scam. If they were categorized as “treatment,” far fewer people would take their medicine. They’d be asking “Are there more effective treatments with fewer risks?”

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Speaking of more effective treatments...

In malaria-infested African countries there is no pandemic, no masks and no lockdowns. What’s different there? They take HCQ pills routinely.

For example, in Tanzania, the entire population—almost 60 million—is considered at risk for malaria. Therefore, everyone takes HCQ once a week as a preventative. From January 3, 2020 to July 14, 2021, there were 509 reported cases of Covid and 21 reported deaths. Almost all in April 2020.

[Nickhead]

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...835994637?s=20

https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/s...143869965?s=20

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

They do not meet the clinical, legal or patenting definition of “vaccine.”

This is another important clue to Big Pharma’s scam. If they were categorized as “treatment,” far fewer people would take their medicine. They’d be asking “Are there more effective treatments with fewer risks?”

so what do we call it then?

as an aside, why is the CDC decomissioning the PCR testing? I know why, just why did it take so long for the big guys to have to admit it's a false testing procedure.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...835994637?s=20

https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/s...143869965?s=20


so what do we call it then?

as an aside, why is the CDC decomissioning the PCR testing? I know why, just why did it take so long for the big guys to have to admit it's a false testing procedure.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2...Testing_1.html

They are switching to a new test that can detect and differentiate between influenza and COVID.

No, this does not mean that influenza caused false positive COVID cases.

“Given the availability of commercial options for clinical diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection, including multiplexed and high-throughput options, CDC intends to discontinue support for the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019 nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2.

“Although the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019 nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel met an important unmet need when it was developed and deployed and has not demonstrated any performance issues, the demand for this test has declined with the emergence of other higher-throughput and multiplexed assays. CDC is encouraging public health laboratories (PHL) to adopt the CDC Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay to enable continued surveillance for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2, which will save both time and resources for PHL.”

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Speaking of more effective treatments...

In malaria-infested African countries there is no pandemic, no masks and no lockdowns. What’s different there? They take HCQ pills routinely.

For example, in Tanzania, the entire population—almost 60 million—is considered at risk for malaria. Therefore, everyone takes HCQ once a week as a preventative. From January 3, 2020 to July 14, 2021, there were 509 reported cases of Covid and 21 reported deaths. Almost all in April 2020.

I feel like I left the thread for months and nothing changed

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

They do not meet the clinical, legal or patenting definition of “vaccine.”

This is another important clue to Big Pharma’s scam. If they were categorized as “treatment,” far fewer people would take their medicine. They’d be asking “Are there more effective treatments with fewer risks?”

This is the claim from some quack that calls the vaccines “gene therapy”. The vaccine does not alter your dna. It isn’t gene therapy.

I think of a vaccine as a product that stimulates your immune system to protect against a disease.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by SupDock

This is the claim from some quack that calls the vaccines “gene therapy”. The vaccine does not alter your dna. It isn’t gene therapy.

I think of a vaccine as a product that stimulates your immune system to protect against a disease.

So quacks like the FDA?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Otter

Where should I begin?

You're not helping.

Remember when the CP braintrust used to shame smokers and obese people for being a drain on the healthcare system?

You know the, FOR PROFIT Healthcare system?

Remember when the CP braintrust told us cops and soldiers knew what they signed up for?

This woman would be well served to change the diet for her family.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

So quacks like the FDA?

I’m not sure what you mean.