***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by farmerchief

Why, is she a witch?

We don't have enough data yet.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by loochy

They don't need justification. It's Facebook. They own it and everything you put on it. It's their platform. They can do whatever they want with the information there. Free speech rules do not apply in this situation.



Cool. Someone got paid from the massive, sprawling conglomerate that makes everything from soap to replacement knees to medicine. Also, J&J made the shittiest vaccine anyway. Where are the Moderna and Pfizer fact checkers? Astra Zeneca? Sinopharm? Sputnik V?



Plus who cares (because it's Facebook)?



You sure about that? All of the other NUMEROUS studies show the exact opposite. Maybe you should link the study you're talking about.


Ok, some guy said it. Cool.


How do you know deaths have been vastly under reported to VAERS? Do you have your own personal vaccine side effect tracking system that shows differently?





It's cool that you just state a bunch of unsubstantiated stuff with no links, then say "wake the **** up, people."


At least MahomesMagic, as tiresome as his shtick is getting, almost always backs up his claims with data.



It's also funny that you seem to regard Facebook as some holy bastion of truth and free speech. It's a social media/influencing/engineering/data mining tool that is owned by a company. They can do what they want to their site.

Renz said that under penalty of perjury and it has sparked a lawsuit.

Facebook's legal right to censor isn't the point. You don't see a problem with shutting down people's ability to share their side effects? There's no rational justification for it and it's a bad look. Why can't people just admit this?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Facebook's legal right to censor isn't the point. You don't see a problem with shutting down people's ability to share their side effects? There's no rational justification for it and it's a bad look. Why can't people just admit this?

No, I don't see a problem with a company doing what it wants. If it's a bad enough look, then capitalism will see people quit using their product (as I have). It's not what I would do, but whatever.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by DaFace

At this point, I'm not sure it's even worth the effort to look for more data on the vaccines. Anyone with any grasp of reality can see that they're wildly effective.



The only arguments that have even a smidge of validity at this point are just fears over long-term side effects, and there's not really any more data that can be provided other than "yep, they're still just as safe as we'd thought all along."



So whatever. We'll just keep on handing out Darwin awards.

Basically. Even the approval from FDA may have a small percentage upstick in vaccinations. These people that refuse to get it will just get covid eventually and cross their fingers it doesn't kill them or at best give them long lasting issues.

[suzzer99]

Arnie out here spitting some common sense.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Renz said that under penalty of perjury and it has sparked a lawsuit.

Facebook's legal right to censor isn't the point. You don't see a problem with shutting down people's ability to share their side effects? There's no rational justification for it and it's a bad look. Why can't people just admit this?

It is almost like if you want to be taken seriously you should not put them on facebook.

[suzzer99]

Pentagon to require members of US military to get COVID-19 vaccine by Sept. 15, according to memo obtained by AP.

— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) August 9, 2021

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by loochy

No, I don't see a problem with a company doing what it wants. If it's a bad enough look, then capitalism will see people quit using their product (as I have). It's not what I would do, but whatever.

We all know that FB and other tech giants are too big to fail. Not enough people are paying attention or care enough to damage them anyway. Hell, most people still believe that the censorship and "fact-checks" are impartial.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Take off the tin foil hat.

It would probably be the first time in world history that a corporate entity or gov't official misled the public, am I right?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Arnie out here spitting some common sense.

Yes, we should all listen to experts. Particularly those who don't contradict themselves every day or lie to Congress.

[suzzer99]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/neighbo...d=hp_lead_pos7





One by one these small enclaves are being converted - in a tragic and completely preventable way.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

It would probably be the first time in world history that a corporate entity or gov't official misled the public, am I right?

So that means all of them are doing it all the time?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Monticore

So that means all of them are doing it all the time?

Someone lied once so all opinions are equally valid in perpetuity - especially if delivered with a sneer at someone else's naïveté for buying the official line.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Monticore

So that means all of them are doing it all the time?

Did I say or imply that?

You guys are no different than Germans in the 1930s. Swallowing everything they sell to you, no questions asked. Except it was more understandable in their case, as all they had were their propaganda-spewing radios.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Someone lied once so all opinions are equally valid in perpetuity - especially if delivered with a sneer at someone else's naïveté for buying the official line.

false narrative.

your posts here divide, not unite.

shame, really.