*** 2021 Chiefs Training Camp MEGATHREAD ***

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Posting this as a repository for random training camp content. Glad to see Andy moving around today without the cane.

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[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

There's a lot of "what ifs" on defense.

I think CB play is gonna be ass. Sneed looked good when he played but has a small sample size due to injury.

I think this team was dumb for not resigning Breeland $4M is cheap for a starting CB.

I think Ward (at best) is an avg CB but a good half of the time plays like ass. Teams are just gonna pick on him all season.

I think the Chiefs are banking on Baker and Hughes play up to their draft selections. I don't think that will happen.

Fenton and others are JAG.

And the pass rush will be very avg. Don't expect much out of Clark, and unless Taco or Danna or perhaps Okafor (if he can stay healthy) surprise some people, this is a very sub avg to avg DE group, even with Jones/Reed in the middle.

LB has gotten a little better if everyone can stay healthy. This team will still trot out Neimann onto the field....****in morons.

1st off, i can't recall a time, ever, when Ward was "picked on". Beat? Sure. Targeted? Of course.

Picked on repeatedly? No. Doesn't happen. You made that up.

Sneed has shown about as much from a rookie CB as i've ever seen. His floor seems to be "good". His Ceiling is looking like it could be All-Pro.

....sigh...i was gonna address the rest of your post but then realized you're pretty much off basis with everything i aint got that kind of time at the moment.

[Kiimo]

Looking forward to the next positional breakdown of "actually, ACTUALLY, I think we're in trouble!"

Let's go with...kickers! Well if you break down Butker's stats and the fact that he missed so many extra points I really think that could come back to hurt us. Chiefs would be stupid not to have his backup training right now if they want to make the playoffs. Plus regression to the mean would suggest that his health can't hold up for long!


This team is going to the SB. Again.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Stop it.

Those past OLs were top 5 units all-time. We would be ecstatic if this new collection ended up being top 5 this season.

absolutely they were, with no real WR threat and a statue at QB along with a RB that was neither big, nor fast, but simply smart and followed his blocking while being a good receiver out of the backfield.

This OL can be just as successful, without being as individually good, because of the stress that Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, and CEH will put on defenses. Along with the next tier of Hardman, and the rookie Gray.

We'll never know if this line is truly the equal of that one because this line will never play in front of an immobile, weak armed but intellectually above average QB and below average skill position talent outside of TE. At least, we sincerely hope not or it means we're in injury hell and the season may well be in the tank.

But I would suggest that it's entirely possible that they will be elite, and be elite very quickly barring serious injuries. The talent upside is absolutely there.

Think of it this way-Roaf was the best OT ever to play the game; but Brown may well function as well as Roaf did IN THIS OFFENSE. Would I trade Brown for a 24 year old Willie Roaf? No, but is there necessarily a FUNCTIONAL difference? Or with Thuney and Shields? Maybe there will be, and I'm just projecting my hopes. Probably there's some of that there. But I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility.

It'll always be an apples and oranges comparison, but I think while I'm being optimistic, not wildly so.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

1st off, i can't recall a time, ever, when Ward was "picked on". Beat? Sure. Targeted? Of course.

Picked on repeatedly? No. Doesn't happen. You made that up.

Sneed has shown about as much from a rookie CB as i've ever seen. His floor seems to be "good". His Ceiling is looking like it could be All-Pro.

....sigh...i was gonna address the rest of your post but then realized you're pretty much off basis with everything i aint got that kind of time at the moment.

yeah, I don't get this narrative. You would think after watching Steven Nelson or Orlando Scandrick ACTUALLY get picked on that Chiefs fans would know what that looks like.

Ward is a perfectly decent #2 CB. He's miscast as a #1, but it would appear that Sneed is a plus CB, so what's the problem? Fenton has looked fine as your #3 and we've got TWO first rounders competing to round out the corps. What the heck is the problem there?

[Hammock Parties]

If anything it's better that there isn't one demonstrably weaker corner so they aren't picking on that player in critical situations.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

absolutely they were, with no real WR threat and a statue at QB along with a RB that was neither big, nor fast, but simply smart and followed his blocking while being a good receiver out of the backfield.

This OL can be just as successful, without being as individually good, because of the stress that Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, and CEH will put on defenses. Along with the next tier of Hardman, and the rookie Gray.

We'll never know if this line is truly the equal of that one because this line will never play in front of an immobile, weak armed but intellectually above average QB and below average skill position talent outside of TE. At least, we sincerely hope not or it means we're in injury hell and the season may well be in the tank.

But I would suggest that it's entirely possible that they will be elite, and be elite very quickly barring serious injuries. The talent upside is absolutely there.

Think of it this way-Roaf was the best OT ever to play the game; but Brown may well function as well as Roaf did IN THIS OFFENSE. Would I trade Brown for a 24 year old Willie Roaf? No, but is there necessarily a FUNCTIONAL difference? Or with Thuney and Shields? Maybe there will be, and I'm just projecting my hopes. Probably there's some of that there. But I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility.

It'll always be an apples and oranges comparison, but I think while I'm being optimistic, not wildly so.

You are being wildly optimistic. I'm trying to be nice but the more you talk, the more horrendously stupid takes slip out. Like the bolded. Wtf is that? Willie Roaf was First-Team All-Pro at 24 and went on to have a HoF career. You are literally the only person on the planet who wouldn't trade Brown for Roaf if given the magical opportunity.

I understand that Mahomes>Green and Tyreek>Eddie Kennison. When you take everything into account, our 2021 offense may be better overall than the one from 2003, but the 2021 OL specifically will be nowhere near as good as the 2003 OL. To suggest otherwise is pure fantasy.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

There's a lot of "what ifs" on defense.

I think CB play is gonna be ass. Sneed looked good when he played but has a small sample size due to injury.

I think this team was dumb for not resigning Breeland $4M is cheap for a starting CB.

I think Ward (at best) is an avg CB but a good half of the time plays like ass. Teams are just gonna pick on him all season.

I think the Chiefs are banking on Baker and Hughes play up to their draft selections. I don't think that will happen.

Fenton and others are JAG.

And the pass rush will be very avg. Don't expect much out of Clark, and unless Taco or Danna or perhaps Okafor (if he can stay healthy) surprise some people, this is a very sub avg to avg DE group, even with Jones/Reed in the middle.

LB has gotten a little better if everyone can stay healthy. This team will still trot out Neimann onto the field....****in morons.

We should make sure we keep this comment nearby for future and frequent reference.

This is full of so much wrong it's difficult to even comment.

[Chris Meck]

I think a lot of people haven't caught up to the new mindset of maintaining a championship team.

you don't MAINTAIN a championship team by going out and signing a bunch of big name, high dollar free agents.

You can do that to GET THERE, but once you're there, you have to make saavy monetary decisions and DEVELOP YOUNG TALENT.

Otherwise, you'll have to tear it all down, deal with cap hell for a season or two, and then rebuild.

If you want to STAY in a championship window, then you're always going to have some young and unproven talent that you need to play well to compliment your stars in their prime.

We're totally in the best place to be, and I would not trade this roster for any other in the NFL. We're RE-STOCKING on the fly.

yeah, we have some spots where we need the youngsters to pan out, but so do the other 31 teams. I'll trust Veach and this coaching staff, thank you very much.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You are being wildly optimistic. I'm trying to be nice but the more you talk, the more horrendously stupid takes slip out. Like the bolded. Wtf is that? Willie Roaf was First-Team All-Pro at 24 and went on to have a HoF career. You are literally the only person on the planet who wouldn't trade Brown for Roaf if given the magical opportunity.

I understand that Mahomes>Green and Tyreek>Eddie Kennison. When you take everything into account, our 2021 offense may be better overall than the one from 2003, but the 2021 OL specifically will be nowhere near as good as the 2003 OL. To suggest otherwise is pure fantasy.

You misunderstand entirely what I meant. I didn't type that very clearly.
I said 'trade' when I meant 'take'
I would not take Brown over Roaf.

I've already said Roaf was the best I ever saw.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I appreciate Breeland and he was a great bargain for us while he was here, but people seriously overrate him.

I thought Breeland was going to single handedly lose a couple games for us last year. When he was off he was waaaay off.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think a lot of people haven't caught up to the new mindset of maintaining a championship team.

you don't MAINTAIN a championship team by going out and signing a bunch of big name, high dollar free agents.

You can do that to GET THERE, but once you're there, you have to make saavy monetary decisions and DEVELOP YOUNG TALENT.

Otherwise, you'll have to tear it all down, deal with cap hell for a season or two, and then rebuild.

If you want to STAY in a championship window, then you're always going to have some young and unproven talent that you need to play well to compliment your stars in their prime.

We're totally in the best place to be, and I would not trade this roster for any other in the NFL. We're RE-STOCKING on the fly.

yeah, we have some spots where we need the youngsters to pan out, but so do the other 31 teams. I'll trust Veach and this coaching staff, thank you very much.

Phenomenally well said.

This isn’t stars and scrubs. It’s stars and cheap talent acquired with smart use of draft capital.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think a lot of people haven't caught up to the new mindset of maintaining a championship team.

you don't MAINTAIN a championship team by going out and signing a bunch of big name, high dollar free agents.

You can do that to GET THERE, but once you're there, you have to make saavy monetary decisions and DEVELOP YOUNG TALENT.

Otherwise, you'll have to tear it all down, deal with cap hell for a season or two, and then rebuild.

If you want to STAY in a championship window, then you're always going to have some young and unproven talent that you need to play well to compliment your stars in their prime.

We're totally in the best place to be, and I would not trade this roster for any other in the NFL. We're RE-STOCKING on the fly.

yeah, we have some spots where we need the youngsters to pan out, but so do the other 31 teams. I'll trust Veach and this coaching staff, thank you very much.

I think thats why we havent seen a honey badger new contract. If Key or Thornhill step up, they can give Clark's and more money to Hill and Brown in the off season.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

…When you take everything into account, our 2021 offense may be better overall than the one from 2003…

I think that was Mr. Meck’s overall point

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I understand that Mahomes>Green and Tyreek>Eddie Kennison. When you take everything into account, our 2021 offense may be better overall than the one from 2003, but the 2021 OL specifically will be nowhere near as good as the 2003 OL. To suggest otherwise is pure fantasy.

As I said, I would not take Brown over Roaf.

What I mean is that in functional terms, due to the talent level surrounding this offensive line, it may well function as well as the Vermeil era line.

I mean, Brown is a two time pro bowler at two positions and is 24. If he's great, then what functional difference does Roaf being GREATER make? At what point does it just not matter?

And with Mahomes behind them instead of Trent Green, does the difference in individual talents matter in real, functional terms? How would we even be able to measure it?

It may well not.

I expect Brown to be an all-pro, and Thuney too in 2021 barring injury.

and I fully expect the 2021 offense to be more prolific than the 2003 offense, absolutely.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I think thats why we havent seen a honey badger new contract. If Key or Thornhill step up, they can give Clark's and more money to Hill and Brown in the off season.

You may well be right.