***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

I don't believe upon a quick glance that the paper youre citing there is ADE. I believe that would be more Vaccine Hypersensitivity reactions.

[O.city]

The only virus I'm aware of to cause ADE is Dengue fever, which IIRC, infects Macrophages.

Sars Cov 2 is epithelial cells in the respiratory system.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by O.city

What we're seeing now is the opposite of what you'd see if ADE was happening.

Unless Sars Cov 2 starts infecting macrophages, I'm skeptical we'll see ADE

It happened in every past animal trial, so it shouldn't come as a huge shock if it occurs. Like I said earlier, the inventor of mRNA believes it's starting to happen now.

And I can't find the link at the moment, but there was a video of a hospital administrator in Sydney saying that their facility was chock full of severe breakthrough cases in vaccinated people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. And only 15% of Sydney is vaccinated.

[O.city]

If you were seeing ADE, you'd see those vaccinated having more severe disease than we are up to this point. Something to watch in the future.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

It happened in every past animal trial, so it shouldn't come as a huge shock if it occurs. Like I said earlier, the inventor of mRNA believes it's starting to happen now.

And I can't find the link at the moment, but there was a video of a hospital administrator in Sydney saying that their facility was chock full of severe breakthrough cases in vaccinated people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. And only 15% of Sydney is vaccinated.

Again, I don't think ADE is what happened in those situations.

[Saulbadguy]

https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-08-18...570-miles-away

What a colossal waste of resources.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

It happened in every past animal trial, so it shouldn't come as a huge shock if it occurs. Like I said earlier, the inventor of mRNA believes it's starting to happen now.

And I can't find the link at the moment, but there was a video of a hospital administrator in Sydney saying that their facility was chock full of severe breakthrough cases in vaccinated people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. And only 15% of Sydney is vaccinated.

You believe that hoax?

The Sydney example, if your 15% number is accurate, isn't significant when you consider how many people in the USA have been given mRNA shots and have definitely been exposed to COVID over the last several months and we are definitely not seeing it here.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Why has this one not been banned from the thread?

You should have been banned for saying that PhDs have less common sense than people with Master's degrees.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

It happened in every past animal trial, so it shouldn't come as a huge shock if it occurs. Like I said earlier, the inventor of mRNA believes it's starting to happen now.

And I can't find the link at the moment, but there was a video of a hospital administrator in Sydney saying that their facility was chock full of severe breakthrough cases in vaccinated people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. And only 15% of Sydney is vaccinated.

It did?

*****


In conclusion, the clinical, virological, and pathological findings presented in this study revealed no exacerbation of infection in the rhesus macaques immunized with the inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine following challenge with SARS-CoV NS-1. Therefore, these results preliminarily indicated that low levels of antibodies induced by the inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine may not induce ADE in rhesus
macaques, and the vaccine could be a good candidate for clinical trials.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...250-018-0009-2

******

Read more here

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/91648


You continue to throw things against the wall and hope something sticks. I keep telling myself I will quit responding.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

You should have been banned for saying that PhDs have less common sense than people with Master's degrees.

Not been around the real world much have you? Pretty clear from your posts.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

You believe that hoax?

The Sydney example, if your 15% number is accurate, isn't significant when you consider how many people in the USA have been given mRNA shots and have definitely been exposed to COVID over the last several months and we are definitely not seeing it here.

How is it a hoax?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by SupDock

It did?

*****


In conclusion, the clinical, virological, and pathological findings presented in this study revealed no exacerbation of infection in the rhesus macaques immunized with the inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine following challenge with SARS-CoV NS-1. Therefore, these results preliminarily indicated that low levels of antibodies induced by the inactivated SARS-CoV Z-1 vaccine may not induce ADE in rhesus
macaques, and the vaccine could be a good candidate for clinical trials.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...250-018-0009-2

******

Read more here

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/91648


You continue to throw things against the wall and hope something sticks. I keep telling myself I will quit responding.

There are thousands upon thousands of doctors and scientists voicing concerns about these things, including the inventor of mRNA technology, yet you act as if it's just me.

At this early stage in clinical trials, what makes you so confident in its safety? What makes you think that all of their concerns are invalid?

Remember, I'm the one who is just saying there are factors that might deserve more consideration. You're the ones who are adamant that the risks are low.

[O.city]

At this point, we're prioritizing boosters to protect against a mild infection for those already protected against serious disease. I think it's premature.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

There are thousands upon thousands of doctors and scientists voicing concerns about these things, including the inventor of mRNA technology, yet you act as if it's just me.

At this early stage in clinical trials, what makes you so confident in its safety? What makes you think that all of their concerns are invalid?

When you can't even read/comprehend properly, let alone vet sources, why are your concerns valid?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

There are thousands upon thousands of doctors and scientists voicing concerns about these things, including the inventor of mRNA technology, yet you act as if it's just me.

At this early stage in clinical trials, what makes you so confident in its safety? What makes you think that all of their concerns are invalid?

Remember, I'm the one who is just saying there are factors that might deserve more consideration. You're the ones who are adamant that the risks are low.

Essentially, I trust the major medical groups/organization to continue to have a consensus on the best course of action regarding treatment and prophylaxis.

I’m not a medical researcher.