***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Okay then....they don't feel comfortable with it for whatever reason, it's their life and choice. What else are you going to do? I am vaxxed so I don't care if the person next to me is or isn't. I respect their decision. Why would I throw a fit or jump up and down or scream at them? To what end? When have people GOS what others do regarding vaccines until now? Who is gaining from dividing everybody on yet another personal issue?

I personally don't care at all if someone else gets vaccinated. Feel free to inject yourself with horse dewormer or pool cleaner. Knock yourself out.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Okay then....they don't feel comfortable with it for whatever reason, it's their life and choice. What else are you going to do? I am vaxxed so I don't care if the person next to me is or isn't. I respect their decision. Why would I throw a fit or jump up and down or scream at them? To what end? When have people GOS what others do regarding vaccines until now? Who is gaining from dividing everybody on yet another personal issue?

If they guy next you is the reason your surgery is delayed would you be upset?

[Otter]

If you experience severe side effects after getting a Covid vaccine, lawyers tell CNBC there is basically no one to blame in a U.S. court of law. The federal government has granted companies like Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines.

No reason for suspicion or skepticism. Amirite?

Not playing the "holier than tho" but please don't act like there is no reason to be suspicious.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Otter

No reason for suspicion or skepticism. Amirite?

Not playing the "holier than tho" but please don't act like there is no reason to be suspicious.

Care to post the date of the article where you got this and explain its relevance on August 23, 2021?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Okay then....they don't feel comfortable with it for whatever reason, it's their life and choice. What else are you going to do? I am vaxxed so I don't care if the person next to me is or isn't. I respect their decision. Why would I throw a fit or jump up and down or scream at them? To what end? When have people GOS what others do regarding vaccines until now? Who is gaining from dividing everybody on yet another personal issue?

Because it's never been about whether you get it or I get it, since everyone knows the individual chance is slim.

It's about multiplying that small chance by 350 million, then figuring out how the hell the healthcare system will handle it.

It's only a personal issue if you're also staying home and taking the necessary precautions... not being vaccinated and being careless about it makes it a societal issue.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Care to post the date of the article where you got this and explain its relevance on August 23, 2021?

No, I'm not doing your Google for you. Copy / paste then click the search button.

It's relevance has to do with why people are hesitant to get the vaccine. Would you bind yourself to a legal agreement under those terms?

And people shoving their morals down others throats are not quiet as responsible but it's close.

[Sure-Oz]

Drs in Florida walkout protest.

https://twitter.com/politicususa/sta...782769671?s=19

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Otter

No, I'm not doing your Google for you. Copy / paste then click the search button.

It's relevance has to do with why people are hesitant to get the vaccine. Would you bind yourself to a legal agreement under those terms?

And people shoving their morals down others throats are not quiet as responsible but it's close.

Well, I'll help I suppose. The article is from December 16, 2020. You're re-hashing arguments that are 9 months old. Ironically, the news today makes it more likely that there could be liability protections moving forward, which makes your posting it as if it's new news misleading and irrelevant.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Okay then....they don't feel comfortable with it for whatever reason, it's their life and choice. What else are you going to do? I am vaxxed so I don't care if the person next to me is or isn't. I respect their decision. Why would I throw a fit or jump up and down or scream at them? To what end? When have people GOS what others do regarding vaccines until now? Who is gaining from dividing everybody on yet another personal issue?

I care because my grandmother has been needing a hernia surgery for over year, and it keeps getting delayed longer and longer because the hospital doesn't have enough staff to do non-emergency elective surgeries. Because the hospital has been full of idiots who didn't think they needed a vaccine, but immediately rushed to the hospital once they caught covid. When their preventable ignorance starts effecting my family, yeah I give a shit...

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Drs in Florida walkout protest.

https://twitter.com/politicususa/sta...782769671?s=19

I'm wondering if we'll get to the point where unvaccinated covid patients will move down the waiting list. I realize that the health system has an ethical obligation to treat the sickest patients first, but when you have a huge group of people who are sick by choice, I would argue that the ethical thing is to let them wait for the people who didn't choose to get sick.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Otter

No reason for suspicion or skepticism. Amirite?

Not playing the "holier than tho" but please don't act like there is no reason to be suspicious.

Feel free to be "suspicious" or "skeptical", but then examine the data and realize there is no reason to be either.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm wondering if we'll get to the point where unvaccinated covid patients will move down the waiting list. I realize that the health system has an ethical obligation to treat the sickest patients first, but when you have a huge group of people who are sick by choice, I would argue that the ethical thing is to let them wait for the people who didn't choose to get sick.

I don't think many would have a problem with that. Those folks should own the risk.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm wondering if we'll get to the point where unvaccinated covid patients will move down the waiting list. I realize that the health system has an ethical obligation to treat the sickest patients first, but when you have a huge group of people who are sick by choice, I would argue that the ethical thing is to let them wait for the people who didn't choose to get sick.

Oh, this is coming. Hospitals that are out of beds are going to start prioritizing.

Insurance companies are also going to stop agreeing to pay for even necessary treatment if you are hospitalized for COVID and not vaccinated.

So... if you choose not to vaccinate, get COVID, and end up in the hospital for a long period of time... guess what? You're footing the bill on you own and going to be begging the hospital to write off as much as it can and making monthly payments to that hospital for a LOOOOOONG time.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Oh, this is coming. Hospitals that are out of beds are going to start prioritizing.

Insurance companies are also going to stop agreeing to pay for even necessary treatment if you are hospitalized for COVID and not vaccinated.

So... if you choose not to vaccinate, get COVID, and end up in the hospital for a long period of time... guess what? You're footing the bill on you own and going to be begging the hospital to write off as much as it can and making monthly payments to that hospital for a LOOOOOONG time.

I can't imagine they're willing to pay now.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Drs in Florida walkout protest.

https://twitter.com/politicususa/sta...782769671?s=19

I don't always post in the non political Covid thread but when I do it a link to a political article from politcususa.