***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...nic-study.aspx

Here is one article on the subject.

Why am I not shocked that you'd use data from a non-peer reviewed study, posted on something called News Medical Life Sciences, from 3 months ago - when the CDC has claimed otherwise as recently as 3 weeks ago?

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Why am I not shocked that you'd use data from a non-peer reviewed study, posted on something called News Medical Life Sciences, from 3 months ago - when the CDC has claimed otherwise as recently as 3 weeks ago?

Then show me the study where the vaccinated are more protected than people who have had covid.

Because I can show you plenty of the contrary.

Here is the another one.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...an-pfizer-shot

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

You are going on another one of your rants about the unvaccinated. Well what about people who have covid. Plenty of data showing they don't need the vaccine.

So if someone has had covid and doesn't want to get vaccinated. Current data supports there position. You know follow the science and all.

Great for them. Don't get vaccinated. Or do get vaccinated. Current recommendations appear to support getting vaccinated after recovering from Covid, no?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I hope my grandchildren are shown the statistical analysis of what policies worked and didn't work. Not useless hyperemotional virtue signaling

Well, I don't think I'm being hyperemotional, but it is pretty soul crushing to have to cut my losses and liquidate a business I spent years working on.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that it's unwise to be gathering in huge groups with no masks or social distancing. I mean, that just seems like pretty obvious common sense.

And I guess if you feel like I should just go about my business, first of all, the number of people willing to disregard all of that and go ahead and book big shows are far fewer than normal times. I have no control over that.

I DO have control over agreeing to do shows in which a great many people may get sick and/or pass the virus on to people who might die from it.

You can argue that I shouldn't care, but I do. I'm not willing to do that.

I'm doing one last smallish outdoor event next Saturday and then shutting it down.

I'll sling cheeseburgers and beers in a mask in a restaurant that's operating as responsibly as possible until this is all over.

But yeah, it's ruined my entire earning situation, as I have barely performed at all or done any production in almost two years now. (Winter is always sparse.)

If that seems hyperemotional to you, I don't know what to tell you.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Then show me the study where the vaccinated are more protected than people who have had covid.

Why not both?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Then show me the study where the vaccinated are more protected than people who have had covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7032e1_w

2.34 times more likely to get reinfected if you're not vaccinated.

But I'm sure you'll quibble with this, since it wasn't posted by RandomCovidNewsPundit.net.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7032e1_w

2.34 times more likely to get reinfected if you're not vaccinated.

But I'm sure you'll quibble with this, since it wasn't posted by RandomCovidNewsPundit.net.

I welcome all new info. I will take a look at that. There are many studies showing the opposite. Including the recent one I posted out of Israel and the Delta variant.

I do wish the cdc would look at more data than one state for 2 months before making recommendations though.

[Chris Meck]

I'm probably just not going to weigh in on this thread anymore.

I've lost family members, I've lost my business, I've lost a year and a half of my life.

Nothing I say is going to change anybody's mind, and it's honestly too depressing to revisit.

I'm just going to do the best I can with what I have available to me. **** it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

I welcome all new info. I will take a look at that. There are many studies showing the opposite. Including the recent one I posted out of Israel and the Delta variant.

I do wish the cdc would look at more data than one state for 2 months before making recommendations though.

That's ****ing rich considering you're leaning on non-peer reviewed data from *checks notes* another country on the other side of the world.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

That's ****ing rich considering you're leaning on non-peer reviewed data from *checks notes* another country on the other side of the world.

Because it is a study. Not a recommendation by our government agency. Where they should have access to a ton more data on the subject.

Especially since they are now going to try and mandate vaccines for federal workers or anybody who has contracts with the government.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I was wondering when the tinfoil hat shit was gonna make an appearance.

See ya!

[dirk digler]

Sounds like if you work for a hospital or any health care field that receives federal Medicaid or Medicare money you will be required to get vaccinated.

The plan will require the 17 million health care workers at facilities receiving funds from Medicare and Medicaid to be fully vaccinated, expanding the mandate to hospitals, home care facilities and dialysis centers around the country.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I was wondering when the tinfoil hat shit was gonna make an appearance.

See ya!

Tin foil hat? Do you read the news? It is on the front page

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/polit...ech/index.html

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Tin foil hat? Do you read the news? It is on the front page

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/polit...ech/index.html

So, vaccinated or tested (once per week)? THAT'S what you're worried about?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Sounds like if you work for a hospital or any health care field that receives federal Medicaid or Medicare money you will be required to get vaccinated.

Good