***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Yeah I meant Soliris.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

That's just reeruned, unless it actually cures the disease.

Not even sure if it will help. But they've already tried a million other things.

I assume the insurance company doesn't actually pay sticker price. What they actually do pay of course is a closely guarded secret because USA #1 healthcare.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Not even sure if it will help. But they've already tried a million other things.

I assume the insurance company doesn't actually pay sticker price. What they actually do pay of course is a closely guarded secret because USA #1 healthcare.

Looks like the patent expired march 2021(Europe may 22)hopefully that can make it more affordable , looks like only Ontario/Quebec cover the costs from the 6 year old article I found .

Maybe not

"With a Soliris biosimilar showing up in its rearview mirror, Alexion is piling on patents for its superexpensive drug, hoping to put some more distance between it and any sales-grabbing copies."

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'll keep trying to combat the misperception that vaccines aren't safe in the long-term. We have literally never in the history of mankind had any vaccine that had side effects that didn't show up at first and did down the road. Ever. This is not debatable, and anyone who claims otherwise is wrong.

Worried about mRNA? You shouldn't be, but the J&J vaccine uses the tried and true method. It's less effective, but if you want an approach that seems less novel, there it is. Fears over "new technology" aren't a reasonable excuse to avoid getting vaccinated.

Since this post got so many up votes. Want to set the record straight on J&J vaccine. It also uses brand new tech that has only been used once before. With the Ebola vaccine that was approved in 2020.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Since this post got so many up votes. Want to set the record straight on J&J vaccine. It also uses brand new tech that has only been used once before. With the Ebola vaccine that was approved in 2020.

If we all used your definition of what is "new" or "experimental," it would take a decade for anything to be approved.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by DaFace

If we all used your definition of what is "new" or "experimental," it would take a decade for anything to be approved.

By my definition you mean completely accurate but doesn't fit your narrative.

Long story short. All 3 vaccines provided in the US are made with tech that has never been approved or used before 2020. So to try and say that no vaccine in history has had long term effects not show up at the beginning as trying to justify these as completely safe. Is trying to compare apples to oranges.

You don't know if these vaccine have any long term effects. There has never been a vaccine like this before. So there is no prior data to go off of.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

By my definition you mean completely accurate but doesn't fit your narrative.

Long story short. All 3 vaccines provided in the US are made with tech that has never been approved or used before 2020. So to try and say that no vaccine in history has had long term effects not show up at the beginning. Is trying to compare apples to oranges.

You don't know if these vaccine have any long term effects. There has never been a vaccine like this before. So there is no prior data to go off of.

Would you have preferred that zero vaccines be distributed at this point?

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Would you have preferred that zero vaccines be distributed at this point?

No I am rooting for the vaccine. I believe the tech is amazing and love its potential for other things like fighting cancer.

I think it should be a choice. Definitely should not be mandated. Especially to very low risk groups or people who have already had covid.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

By my definition you mean completely accurate but doesn't fit your narrative.

Long story short. All 3 vaccines provided in the US are made with tech that has never been approved or used before 2020. So to try and say that no vaccine in history has had long term effects not show up at the beginning as trying to justify these as completely safe. Is trying to compare apples to oranges.

You don't know if these vaccine have any long term effects. There has never been a vaccine like this before. So there is no prior data to go off of.

What exactly do you fear happening "long term?"

[Ninerfan11]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

No I am rooting for the vaccine. I believe the tech is amazing and love its potential for other things like fighting cancer.

I think it should be a choice. Definitely should not be mandated. Especially to very low risk groups or people who have already had covid.

logical.

[suzzer99]

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— Kevz Politics (@KevzPolitics) September 15, 2021

[Fish]

It's true. Our balls are small.

[Easy 6]

I stay away from covid talk pretty religiously, yet just can't help but ask these two questions

1) How does a fully vaxxed, healthy looking 66 year old woman die of Covid? This happened just 30 miles from me - in the hospital where both of my kids were born, so it kinda hits home - and her kids are blaming the unvaxxed for her death

https://www.foxnews.com/us/vaccinate...nated-obituary

Just can't see how its a true vaccine, if you can still be killed by incidental contact with a random strangers breath and/or surfaces

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I stay away from covid talk pretty religiously, yet just can't help but ask these two questions



1) How does a fully vaxxed, healthy looking 66 year old woman die of Covid? This happened just 30 miles from me - in the hospital where both of my kids were born, so it kinda hits home - and her kids are blaming the unvaxxed for her death



https://www.foxnews.com/us/vaccinate...nated-obituary



Just can't see how its a true vaccine, if you can still be killed by incidental contact with a random strangers breath and/or surfaces

Seat belts help keep people alive, but people wearing seat belts still die in car accidents.

That's why they calculate effectiveness ratings.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I stay away from covid talk pretty religiously, yet just can't help but ask these two questions

1) How does a fully vaxxed, healthy looking 66 year old woman die of Covid? This happened just 30 miles from me - in the hospital where both of my kids were born, so it kinda hits home - and her kids are blaming the unvaxxed for her death

https://www.foxnews.com/us/vaccinate...nated-obituary

Just can't see how its a true vaccine, if you can still be killed by incidental contact with a random strangers breath and/or surfaces

Not a single vaccine ever produced has had 100% efficacy. You're applying an impossible standard.