***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Hmm. I don’t know about that. I don’t really think stupid is the right description.

I think it has more to do with where people get their “information” from.

And the fact that Covid (and other bad things) is something that happens to other people (until it actually affects them).

I remember watching coverage of Covid from late 2019 in China and other countries and thought SOMETHING would happen to keep it from affecting the US.

[TLO]

Listening to the FDA meeting now. Supposed to vote around 1:30pm.

I honestly think it might get shot down.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by TLO

Listening to the FDA meeting now. Supposed to vote around 1:30pm.

I honestly think it might get shot down.

Lets hope it does. It should be based on the individual not an overall mandate.

[TLO]

Here comes the vote.

But first.. more discussion!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Hmm. I don’t know about that. I don’t really think stupid is the right description.

I think it has more to do with where people get their “information” from.

It's similar to describing a 10-win playoff team... some people would say they're average or even good, and compared to at least half the league, that's true.

Yet, the average still aren't winning any math contests beyond facebook's only geniuses can solve this!!!, and they're morons compared to people who can math and aren't unknowingly in a constant state of cognition dissonance.

Whether you say there are a lot of ****ing morons out there or a lot of average-ish people out there, the results are the same.... shortages of toilet paper one month and shortages of anti-parasitic another.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Hmm. I don’t know about that. I don’t really think stupid is the right description.

I think it has more to do with where people get their “information” from.

If someone can look at the vaccine data and think that they are in some way "dangerous", they clearly don't understand mathematics.

[TLO]

Boosters got shot down HARD.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by TLO

Boosters got shot down HARD.

FDA panel rejects plan to administer Pfizer’s Covid booster doses to general public

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-...al-public.html

[TLO]

The FDA just kicked Pfizers ass up and down the street. Get the **** out of here until you can give solid data that a booster is actually needed.

[mr. tegu]

The vast majority of people not taking the vaccine are not making risk assessments or looking at data. I can’t believe how often I see in this thread something along the lines of “I don’t understand how people can be so dumb, not trust the data, etc.”

It’s not about intelligence. It’s a reflection of one’s established personality and values. The things you see posted by them are just tools and methods to justify to others why they think or feel like they do in some sort of evidence based way. It doesn’t matter to them how true or untrue the information is or what you have to say about it because it’s inconsequential to them. It’s just a way of protecting themselves from personal ridicule. Personalities are pretty stagnant over time and how we view the world, especially new information, is filtered through the factors that make up ones personality. No matter how much you want to deride people about taking it, outside of some other force or factor that they also value enough, (job, spouse, etc) they just aren’t going to do it. This was obvious to me a year ago when I said people better lower their expectations on vaccine numbers.

[TLO]

16 no
2 yes

[TLO]

They might modify the question and vote again.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

The vast majority of people not taking the vaccine are not making risk assessments or looking at data. I can’t believe how often I see in this thread something along the lines of “I don’t understand how people can be so dumb, not trust the data, etc.”

It’s not about intelligence. It’s a reflection of one’s established personality and values. The things you see posted by them are just tools and methods to justify to others why they think or feel like they do in some sort of evidence based way. It doesn’t matter to them how true or untrue the information is or what you have to say about it because it’s inconsequential to them. It’s just a way of protecting themselves from personal ridicule. Personalities are pretty stagnant over time and how we view the world, especially new information, is filtered through the factors that make up ones personality. No matter how much you want to deride people about taking it, outside of some other force or factor that they also value enough, (job, spouse, etc) they just aren’t going to do it. This was obvious to me a year ago when I said people better lower their expectations on vaccine numbers.

In other words, tribalism.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by TLO

Boosters got shot down HARD.

Good!

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

In other words, tribalism.

No, not exactly.