***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Braincase

I've been tracking weekly US COVID deaths as reported by Johns Hopkins since the beginning of the pandemic. We were doing ok, got down to a low of 1562 the week of the Fourth of July. Since then, it's been a steady rise, with 13793 this last week, up from 11501 the week before. The numbers are going the wrong direction.

Deaths trail cases. Cases seem to have peaked, deaths will continue to rise for a bit, then if cases continue to decline, so will deaths.

Deaths are lower than last time cases were this high. Vaccinations are clearly working.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Deaths trail cases. Cases seem to have peaked, deaths will continue to rise for a bit, then if cases continue to decline, so will deaths.



Deaths are lower than last time cases were this high. Vaccinations are clearly working.

There may be spikes to come in some lower vaxxed areas that haven't been nailed yet. Right now it seems Kentucky and Tennessee are the worst while cases in Florida and Texas came off their peak. Delta seems to peak super quickly and then go down so hopefully that pattern holds. In Illinois, it's a nice case study on the effect of vaccine rates. Southern Illinois resembles most of the South because, shocker, vaccine rates are really low. In Chicagoland, cases rised but nothing like the bad areas. The cases per 100k got up to like 30 where in the really bad spots the rate was well over 100 per 100k.

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[suzzer99]

Literally every county (or at least every state) in America should be collecting this kind of data and presenting it this clearly.

18x more likely to test positive if you're unvaxxed. 22x more likely to be hospitalized. https://t.co/mbZ9Xn3qgq

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) September 20, 2021

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Literally every county (or at least every state) in America should be collecting this kind of data and presenting it this clearly.

18x more likely to test positive if you're unvaxxed. 22x more likely to be hospitalized. https://t.co/mbZ9Xn3qgq

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) September 20, 2021

Again, your average idiot sees 700 and 15000 and views them as essentially the same.

[Nickhead]

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Again, your average idiot sees 700 and 15000 and views them as essentially the same.

The average idiot goes to a feed store to get horse dewormer and then asks for prayer warriors when he/she is about to go on the vent. Turns out prayer warriors aren't quite as effective as a free, safe and effective vaccine. Womp womp.

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[BigCatDaddy]

I bet if we mock, insult and demonize the unvaxed they will start to get vaccinated! That's the ticket!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I bet if we mock, insult and demonize the unvaxed they will start to get vaccinated! That's the ticket!

Well, I assume the people who are mocking, insulting, and demonizing these days are targeting those who did the same thing for months during the "draconian" lockdowns (draconian! draconian! draconian! draconiandraconiandraconiandraconian!!) and mandates, who won't ever change their mind anyway.

I hope for the sake of humanity there's no overlap to those who were hurling those insults months ago and this narrative that I've seen lately (not specifically from/about you), where it's suddenly uncouth to hurl insults.

I mean, it obviously doesn't help, just as it never has... just seems strange that I've seen it brought up several times lately.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well, I assume the people who are mocking, insulting, and demonizing these days are targeting those who did the same thing for months during the "draconian" lockdowns (draconian! draconian! draconian! draconiandraconiandraconiandraconian!!) and mandates, who won't ever change their mind anyway.

I hope for the sake of humanity there's no overlap to those who were hurling those insults months ago and this narrative that I've seen lately (not specifically from/about you), where it's suddenly uncouth to hurl insults.

I mean, it obviously doesn't help, just as it never has... just seems strange that I've seen it brought up several times lately.

To be fair it was our current VP, Newsome and Cuomo who said loud and clear they wouldn’t trust the Trump vaccine. The fault lays with the politics of it before the vaccine was even available. Sad

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I bet if we mock, insult and demonize the unvaxed they will start to get vaccinated! That's the ticket!

The carrot has been tried and now we are in the stick phase. If people can't be bothered to look at the mountain of evidence supporting the vaccines, then you just can't fix stupid. I have personally tried to calmly talk some sense into people I know that are refusing to be vaccinated and I ended up losing about 10 percent of my brain cells and just about the rest of my patience. My sister in law told me that her lungs are so tarred up from smoking that covid won't be able to penetrate her lungs. Yes, people are that stupid. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't hear it with my own ears.

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[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I bet if we mock, insult and demonize the unvaxed they will start to get vaccinated! That's the ticket!

No they still won't. But they wouldn't have ever been vaccinated anyway so what's the difference? Well until it's too late and the GoFundMe goes up.

[Discuss Thrower]

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[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by jdubya

To be fair it was our current VP, Newsome and Cuomo who said loud and clear they wouldn’t trust the Trump vaccine. The fault lays with the politics of it before the vaccine was even available. Sad

It's fascinating that these idiots are actually following "our current VP, Newsome and Cuomo" regarding the vaccine.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Swanman

The carrot has been tried and now we are in the stick phase. If people can't be bothered to look at the mountain of evidence supporting the vaccines, then you just can't fix stupid. I have personally tried to calmly talk some sense into people I know that are refusing to be vaccinated and I ended up losing about 10 percent of my brain cells and just about the rest of my patience. My sister in law told me that her lungs are so tarred up from smoking that covid won't be able to penetrate her lungs. Yes, people are that stupid. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't hear it with my own ears.

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Nah, the carrot hasn't really been used.

Tying a $1,000 payment to getting the vaccine should have been part of the last covid stimulus bill. We would have a 10% at least jump in vax rate.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Nah, the carrot hasn't really been used.



Tying a $1,000 payment to getting the vaccine should have been part of the last covid stimulus bill. We would have a 10% at least jump in vax rate.

That would be a nonstarter in congress. I would tie vaccinations to a tax credit but that also wouldn't pass our shitty congress.

It doesn't really matter how good the incentives are, people have their minds made up. So now we go to the punishment phase and I am all for it. Imagine if this crap went on back when the polio vaccine came out.

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