The "Inevitability" of Mahomes

[comochiefsfan]

Seems like it's over in a big way after the Super Bowl.

Before February I really can't think of a game we lost because Mahomes failed to come through in the clutch.

It's already happened three times this year. Granted the Baltimore game wasn't directly his fault, but he didn't exactly put the game away when he had the chance either.

The Chargers game he had the ball with a chance to lead the game winning drive and instead threw an interception.

Last night, the defense actually made a couple stops early in the 2nd half to give us a chance to get back in the game. We responded with a pick six (again not his fault) and a backbreaking INT on the goal line that was.

Previously it felt like no deficit was too big, no defense was too good. Mahomes would overcome and make the plays when it mattered.

It hasn't happened this year.

To be clear, I don't think Pat is the problem. But he hasn't been the solution that he always has been in the past.

How he gets back to that, IDK. But the aura and the mystique seems to be fading.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

Not with this defense...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by scho63

I think he has an inury to his shoulder that is being hidden.

Total garbage. He just threw a ball 55 yards off his back foot last week.

Chiefs fan is a real dumbass today.

[KCUnited]

Everyone on offense looks super tight and rigid.

A common theme on offense during the SB runs was the obvious fun they were having. Now they look like stressed out grown up with real jobs.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's tough to know what's going on, but there's no question he's regressed a bit this year. He's had rough games in past years, but then he always would find a way to pull it together in the end.

Last night, he looked off all night. There were at least a half dozen throws that were there that he either sailed or planted in the dirt.

The D sucks, no doubt. But they DO tend to pull it together for a few drives each game. Normally, we'd expect the offense to take advantage of those. This year, we're just not.

Yeah, wasn't sure what to think about it... a few times it looked like he was extremely frustrated and basically throwing it away, and a few other times they were just terrible throws.

And then on top of that, the "yeah, it's just not your night" kind of things like the defensive lineman interception, a couple of balls going through Tyreek's hands and of course the pick 6, etc.

[comochiefsfan]

We need to be able to run the ball.

CEH is one of the biggest wastes of a draft pick I can ever remember. Darrel Williams can do everything he does and honestly he can do it better.

Allen outplayed Mahomes, yes. But he had all day to throw and guys running wide open all over the field.

We aren't able to scheme anybody open anymore. I remember when analysts would marvel about how we seemingly had guys running wide open all over the place. Last night Buffalo looked like we used to look.

Now? No one respects our run game and teams are routinely dropping seven or sometimes even eight into coverage.

I don't care how good Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are. You can't throw the ball when there's 8 in coverage. You HAVE to be able to run the ball to keep defenses honest.

We can't and it makes us easy to defend.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

The criticism of Mahomes seems way overboard. He was off on several throws but it's not the first time that's ever happened. I'm guessing the rain had something to do with it.

I remember when a "terrible" game for a QB was 120 yards. If 333 total yards with two TDs and a couple unlucky picks is the worst case scenario, I'll take it.

The offense will be absolutely fine. They just need to make some changes on defense and get key players healthy.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

We need to be able to run the ball.

CEH is one of the biggest wastes of a draft pick I can ever remember. Darrel Williams can do everything he does and honestly he can do it better.

Allen outplayed Mahomes, yes. But he had all day to throw and guys running wide open all over the field.

We aren't able to scheme anybody open anymore. I remember when analysts would marvel about how we seemingly had guys running wide open all over the place. Last night Buffalo looked like we used to look.

Now? No one respects our run game and teams are routinely dropping seven or sometimes even eight into coverage.

I don't care how good Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are. You can't throw the ball when there's 8 in coverage. You HAVE to be able to run the ball to keep defenses honest.

We can't and it makes us easy to defend.

A 3rd option in the receiving game would make a big difference, even with a poor running game. We can only hope Josh Gordon is that #3 option. The other WR's cannot get the job done.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

This. A lot of the fan base and certainly some of the media started to hype up this idiotic “can Mahomes catch Brady” narrative in regards to SB wins. Winning even one SB is an accomplishment that few achieve. Winning two is incredible. Anything more is next level unreal. Rodgers is probably the most gifted thrower of the ball I’ve ever seen. Unless you think he’s winning another one within the next couple of years (I don’t think so), he’ll finish with one. A few years ago, with the Legion of Doom and all, it was easy to think Wilson would win multiple SB. Now, he looks like the 3rd best QB in his own division.

Like it or not, what Brady has done will not be replicated. Not in our lifetime. It’s DiMaggio hitting streak level of protected.

[notorious]

Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.

[louie aguiar]

Except Rodgers is a douche and a shitty leader. Mahomes is none of those things.

[kcclone]

Originally Posted by notorious

Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.

This is a far more likely scenario than Brady & the Patriots.

Rogers-Packers, or Wilson-Seahawks is far more likely.

That's just the way the NFL is built. You get old fast at most positions, especially defense.

Unless your front office over performs in the draft, it's hard to stay in contention year after year. With Mahomes, we'll be in the playoff hunt most years, but we may not have a Super Bowl caliber squad more than 2-3 more times over the remainder of his career.

[SupDock]

Since the Chiefs Week 10 bye last season, Patrick Mahomes has thrown 13 INTs in 14 games.

— Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) October 11, 2021

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by kcclone

That's just the way the NFL is built. You get old fast at most positions, especially defense.

Unless your front office over performs in the draft, it's hard to stay in contention year after year. With Mahomes, we'll be in the playoff hunt most years, but we may not have a Super Bowl caliber squad more than 2-3 more times over the remainder of his career.

I think it's easy to forget how much the NFL stacks the odds against successful teams. If you are absolutely fantastic at drafting, you might be able to keep it going, but constantly drafting low eventually means you have to pay more in free agency, which means you can't keep your best guys. Add to that the scheduling structure that puts us up against three other division winners that no other AFCW teams have to contend with (Bills, Packers, and Titans), and it's just really tough to keep it going.

Brady is 1) insanely good and 2) the beneficiary of playing in a truly horrific division for most of his career.

[Hammock Parties]

Why is everyone named Clay a douche

[493rd]

Mahomes is great and has accomplished things in his first few years that most will never sniff. But, the media anointed him as the Michael Jordan of the NFL far too soon. Coupled with the pressure of having to carry a horrendous defense week in and out, perhaps he’s struggling a bit mentally which in-turn is affecting his game. It’s gotta be extremely difficult to live up to the hype every week. Good thing the media is onto slobbering over Herbert and Allen now. Maybe it’ll allow Pat to get back on track.

One other thing; the flashy crap like no-look passes needs to go. Mahomes needs to focus on his footwork, pocket presence, and better decision making. Back to X’s and O’s and I’m confident Reid will help get him there.