Chiefs The "Inevitability" of Mahomes - Page 3

comochiefsfan · 10-11-2021, 08:55 AM

Seems like it's over in a big way after the Super Bowl.

Before February I really can't think of a game we lost because Mahomes failed to come through in the clutch.

It's already happened three times this year. Granted the Baltimore game wasn't directly his fault, but he didn't exactly put the game away when he had the chance either.

The Chargers game he had the ball with a chance to lead the game winning drive and instead threw an interception.

Last night, the defense actually made a couple stops early in the 2nd half to give us a chance to get back in the game. We responded with a pick six (again not his fault) and a backbreaking INT on the goal line that was.

Previously it felt like no deficit was too big, no defense was too good. Mahomes would overcome and make the plays when it mattered.

It hasn't happened this year.

To be clear, I don't think Pat is the problem. But he hasn't been the solution that he always has been in the past.

How he gets back to that, IDK. But the aura and the mystique seems to be fading.

DRM08 · 10-11-2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 493rd

Mahomes is great and has accomplished things in his first few years that most will never sniff. But, the media anointed him as the Michael Jordan of the NFL far too soon. Coupled with the pressure of having to carry a horrendous defense week in and out, perhaps he’s struggling a bit mentally which in-turn is affecting his game. It’s gotta be extremely difficult to live up to the hype every week. Good thing the media is onto slobbering over Herbert and Allen now. Maybe it’ll allow Pat to get back on track.

One other thing; the flashy crap like no-look passes needs to go. Mahomes needs to focus on his footwork, pocket presence, and better decision making. Back to X’s and O’s and I’m confident Reid will help get him there.

I agree with all of that, but I think Reid himself has been in a slump ever since his son got into the drunk driving accident. Better playcalling would be nice. And it would also be nice if “elite” Tyreek would stop making huge mistakes with the ball in his hands.

**Easy 6** · 10-11-2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

Everyone on offense looks super tight and rigid.

A common theme on offense during the SB runs was the obvious fun they were having. Now they look like stressed out grown up with real jobs.

Lotta truth here

Hammock Parties · 10-11-2021, 11:08 AM

Tom Brady's asshole is tighter than a roll of quarters during a game. That doesn't matter.

**notorious** · 10-11-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Tom Brady's asshole is tighter than a roll of quarters during a game. That doesn't matter.

Brady also had a coach that would cut players that ****ed up.

Andy’s ****-ups hang around like herpes.

mnchiefsguy · 10-11-2021, 12:49 PM

Is he having a stretch where he is not playihg his best football?

Yeah.

Regression implies a permanent step backwards.....I think the term is overkill.

He is trying to overcompensate for the defense by taking chances he normally wouldn't take and they have not worked out.

KC_Connection · 10-11-2021, 12:53 PM

Has Mahomes declined (despite his league leading QBR) or is it actually the league worst defense that is holding the team back?

This is a tough one.

RaidersOftheCellar · 10-11-2021, 12:56 PM

He's on pace for 58 TDs. I think overreaction is the only word to describe this. He's been pretty damn good aside from various moments last night, which was in poor conditions.

KC_Connection · 10-11-2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

Like it or not, what Brady has done will not be replicated. Not in our lifetime. It’s DiMaggio hitting streak level of protected.

Because he played on an unmatched string of elite level teams where he barely had to do anything but maintain ball possession and throw short passes. The mythology around Brady is honestly 10 times more ridiculous than it is around MJ and so much of it is underserved.

KC_Connection · 10-11-2021, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

He's on pace for 58 TDs. I think overreaction is the only word to describe this. He's been pretty damn good aside from various moments last night, which was in poor conditions.

He's leading the league in QBR with only Stafford close to him right now among other QBs. Many people apparently don't have a goddamn clue what they're even watching.

Red Dawg · 10-11-2021, 01:03 PM

Mahomes is elite and right now he is getting hosed over by poor decisions.

Build the man a defense.

comochiefsfan · 10-11-2021, 01:13 PM

People seem to be misinterpreting this as a bash Mahomes post which is not the case.

Patrick has not been the problem this year. This is more me pointing out that the obstacles he's facing this year are so much greater than in the past that even he is unable to overcome it like he always has before.

It's become clear this year that just having Patrick Mahomes isn't going to be good enough to solve all our problems. The rest of the team is simply too flawed this year for him to be able to cover it all up.

DRM08 · 10-11-2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

People seem to be misinterpreting this as a bash Mahomes post which is not the case.

Patrick has not been the problem this year. This is more me pointing out that the obstacles he's facing this year are so much greater than in the past that even he is unable to overcome it like he always has before.

It's become clear this year that just having Patrick Mahomes isn't going to be good enough to solve all our problems. The rest of the team is simply too flawed this year for him to be able to cover it all up.

He had a losing record in college. One player cannot fix a trash roster. KC has 3 good players and a bunch of scrubs, including very highly paid scrubs on defense. Maybe they should have spent the $70M on offense instead of their 5 highly paid defensive players. Couple of stud WR, couple of stud RB would go a long way.

comochiefsfan · 10-11-2021, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

He had a losing record in college. One player cannot fix a trash roster. KC has 3 good players and a bunch of scrubs, including very highly paid scrubs on defense. Maybe they should have spent the $70M on offense instead of their 5 highly paid defensive players. Couple of stud WR, couple of stud RB would go a long way.

Clark and Jones actually rushing the passer to the level they're paid for would change everything on defense.

The biggest problem on D is easily the line. There's just no pressure whatsoever.

Giant Octopodes · 10-11-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He's leading the league in QBR with only Stafford close to him right now among other QBs. Many people apparently don't have a goddamn clue what they're even watching.

He's 9th in Passer Rating, right behind Joe Burrow and Jameis Winston. QBR isn't a real stat because it has no formula, it's just some schmuck's opinion in number form with a lot of smoke and mirrors added to make it seem more 'official' than that.

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-11-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Mahomes is elite and right now he is getting hosed over by poor decisions.

Build the man a defense.

Or is it poor coaching, to push Mahomes not to trust his instincts. If there is a problem with Patrick he seems more indecisive and going against his gunslinger mentality

10-11-2021, 08:55 AM
comochiefsfan MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-1039600	The "Inevitability" of Mahomes Seems like it's over in a big way after the Super Bowl. Before February I really can't think of a game we lost because Mahomes failed to come through in the clutch. It's already happened three times this year. Granted the Baltimore game wasn't directly his fault, but he didn't exactly put the game away when he had the chance either. The Chargers game he had the ball with a chance to lead the game winning drive and instead threw an interception. Last night, the defense actually made a couple stops early in the 2nd half to give us a chance to get back in the game. We responded with a pick six (again not his fault) and a backbreaking INT on the goal line that was. Previously it felt like no deficit was too big, no defense was too good. Mahomes would overcome and make the plays when it mattered. It hasn't happened this year. To be clear, I don't think Pat is the problem. But he hasn't been the solution that he always has been in the past. How he gets back to that, IDK. But the aura and the mystique seems to be fading.
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10-11-2021, 01:13 PM	#41
comochiefsfan MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-1039600	People seem to be misinterpreting this as a bash Mahomes post which is not the case. Patrick has not been the problem this year. This is more me pointing out that the obstacles he's facing this year are so much greater than in the past that even he is unable to overcome it like he always has before. It's become clear this year that just having Patrick Mahomes isn't going to be good enough to solve all our problems. The rest of the team is simply too flawed this year for him to be able to cover it all up.
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