Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues?

[comochiefsfan]

Fellas,

Spags can only work with who he has.

Frank Clark is injury prone and sucks. Chris Jones appears to be nursing an injured spirit this year. The rest of the line is garbage. Sorensen, garbage. Niemann, garbage. Corners, burnt toast. Linebackers, young and or injury prone.

This defensive roster is ATROCIOUS. I'm not sure Buddy Ryan could make it a competent unit. Veach has given Spags a pile of shit and asked him to make salad.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Fellas,

Spags can only work with who he has.

Frank Clark is injury prone and sucks. Chris Jones appears to be nursing an injured spirit this year. The rest of the line is garbage. Sorensen, garbage. Niemann, garbage. Corners, burnt toast. Linebackers, young and or injury prone.

This defensive roster is ATROCIOUS. I'm not sure Buddy Ryan could make it a competent unit. Veach has given Spags a pile of shit and asked him to make salad.

And that's all well and good.

But even before Spags was formally hired I got a lot of excuses as to why he failed and very few demonstrations of where/when he actually succeeded. And those times he succeeded he had probably the best pass-rushing DL in the league. As I said then - I don't need to hear why a person failed at his last stop, I need to know why he'll succeed at this one.

If all he can do is be successful when he has great players...what's he actually good for? I believe I called him Gunther 2.0 at the time and to date I've seen little to change that opinion.

I do think he's actually quite good at coaching up a secondary, but when I see coverages blown time and time and time again, it makes me wonder if the message is being lost. It's unlikely to be a teaching thing because there's very little changover on the roster. Something has the coordination in the defensive backfield a far cry from where it was a season ago.

So if the message is being lost and he's mostly a product of his players anyway...well maybe it's time for a change in the messenger...

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And that's all well and good.

But even before Spags was formally hired I got a lot of excuses as to why he failed and very few demonstrations of where/when he actually succeeded. And those times he succeeded he had probably the best pass-rushing DL in the league. As I said then - I don't need to hear why a person failed at his last stop, I need to know why he'll succeed at this one.

If all he can do is be successful when he has great players...what's he actually good for? I believe I called him Gunther 2.0 at the time and to date I've seen little to change that opinion.

I do think he's actually quite good at coaching up a secondary, but when I see coverages blown time and time and time again, it makes me wonder if the message is being lost. It's unlikely to be a teaching thing because there's very little changover on the roster. Something has the coordination in the defensive backfield a far cry from where it was a season ago.

So if the message is being lost and he's mostly a product of his players anyway...well maybe it's time for a change in the messenger...

Completely agree, when this mini NFL players are failing to execute, you have to think there is a systemic issue going on.

Can’t cover, can’t run stop, can’t rush the QB.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Completely agree, when this mini NFL players are failing to execute, you have to think there is a systemic issue going on.

Can’t cover, can’t run stop, can’t rush the QB.

And to even buy that line of reasoning you have to presume that the roster isn't presently underperforming it's talent level.

I don't know how you can look at the regression of the secondary as well as guys on the DL like Reed and Nnadi (setting aside Clark or even the performance of Jones to this point) and say that's the case.

Yes, this unit is absolutely underperforming its talent level. Is it a top 5 talented defense? No? Top 10 even? Probably not. Is it top 20? Well yeah, and even if you don't think it is, it's not the worst defensive roster in NFL history.

And that's the performance we're getting right now. That's a real indictment on the staff.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And that's all well and good.

But even before Spags was formally hired I got a lot of excuses as to why he failed and very few demonstrations of where/when he actually succeeded. And those times he succeeded he had probably the best pass-rushing DL in the league. As I said then - I don't need to hear why a person failed at his last stop, I need to know why he'll succeed at this one.

If all he can do is be successful when he has great players...what's he actually good for? I believe I called him Gunther 2.0 at the time and to date I've seen little to change that opinion.

I do think he's actually quite good at coaching up a secondary, but when I see coverages blown time and time and time again, it makes me wonder if the message is being lost. It's unlikely to be a teaching thing because there's very little changover on the roster. Something has the coordination in the defensive backfield a far cry from where it was a season ago.

So if the message is being lost and he's mostly a product of his players anyway...well maybe it's time for a change in the messenger...

I wouldn't call him Gunther 2.0, Gunther never won anything. Spags has coached 2 SB winning defenses. Gunther also coached some of the best defenses in NFL history and didn't win. And before anyone starts blaming the Marty offenses did any of those defenses make a game winning play in the playoffs? I went to many of those playoff losses and I don't remember any.

And before anyone gets it twisted I am not defending Spags this season or any of the shitty Marty offenses. But we had great defenses back then and guys like DT didn't show up alot of the time.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I wouldn't call him Gunther 2.0, Gunther never won anything. Spags has coached 2 SB winning defenses. Gunther also coached some of the best defenses in NFL history and didn't win. And before anyone starts blaming the Marty offenses did any of those defenses make a game winning play in the playoffs? I went to many of those playoff losses and I don't remember any.

Really? Blaming the Marty defenses? If Mahomes had a Marty defense we would be damn near unbeatable.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Really? Blaming the Marty defenses? If Mahomes had a Marty defense we would be damn near unbeatable.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

And before anyone gets it twisted I am not defending Spags this season or any of the shitty Marty offenses. But we had great defenses back then and guys like DT didn't show up alot of the time.