Von Miller traded to the Rams

[BlackOp]

Remember back in 2016 when I suggested the Doinks should move Miller and post-Manning rebuild in earnest?

Well they haven't had a winning season since...now $100+ million later and still in the same situation.

They've thrown in towel... even at 4-4, they know their season is wasted.

[Rams Fan]

I expect Teddy to be traded back to NOLA.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I expect Teddy to be traded back to NOLA.

He's having a career year. No way DEN trades him.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's having a career year. No way DEN trades him.

His numbers are slightly up from last season, with the biggest difference being TDs.

His Yards Per Attempt and Completion % are comparable to last year. He'll end up throwing around the same number of INTs.

Teddy's nothing but a placeholder and JAG. Might as well tank with Lock to get a higher pick.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I expect Teddy to be traded back to NOLA.

That would be a very clear sign of Denver actively tanking. Already with Miller, I don't know if people realize that Denver has already lost ALL of its starting linebackers, and then they trade away their best linebacker. Not exactly a sign of team trying to compete. But they got enough draft capital for it to make sense.

But as for Bridgewater, he did just play a pretty decent game, which Denver won, albeit that it was not an inspiring win. The difference, I think, is what would you get for Bridgewater at this point? A 5th? It might be a bit too obvious to trade your starting QB, after a win, where he played decently, for late-round pick.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by manchambo

That would be a very clear sign of Denver actively tanking. Already with Miller, I don't know if people realize that Denver has already lost ALL of its starting linebackers, and then they trade away their best linebacker. Not exactly a sign of team trying to compete. But they got enough draft capital for it to make sense.

But as for Bridgewater, he did just play a pretty decent game, which Denver won, albeit that it was not an inspiring win. The difference, I think, is what would you get for Bridgewater at this point? A 5th? It might be a bit too obvious to trade your starting QB, after a win, where he played decently, for late-round pick.

I’m more inclined to think Shurmur’s dogshit play calling and piss poor preparation have more to do with the offense struggling than steady teddy two gloves. Shurmur is out coached week after week.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

I’m more inclined to think Shurmur’s dogshit play calling and piss poor preparation have more to do with the offense struggling than steady teddy two gloves. Shurmur is out coached week after week.

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by manchambo

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

I don't know who calls the plays, but that last series of plays against the Generics were the worst football IQ plays I've ever seen. There were 37 seconds left and they ran up the middle and fumbled, passed incomplete, then ran wide and fumbled. Obviously the fumbles weren't part of the play call, but dang - run backwards for a few yards and then fall down if you don't think kneeling will burn off enough time. I despise the broncos and even I was yelling at the screen. You don't want innocent children seeing playcalling like that.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by manchambo

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

I think calling Shurmur’s offense and game planning could fairly be called pedestrian at this point.

Just seems defenses have been able to really key in on what he’s trying to run. Denver has one TD on an opening drive in the last 26 games or so. That’s just disappointing no matter who you are as an OC. They don’t seem to play with a sense of urgency or creativity in their play calling.

Defense has a number of objectively quality pieces and the investment in personnel has been made by the front office but injuries have played their part to make that side of the ball a more significant challenge than it might have been.

Fangio has to see the writing on the wall. Either he’s getting neutered and firing someone this off-season as a sign he’s turning the ship. Shurmur makes a fitting sacrifice but I suspect he’ll be canned and the search will be on for the offensive minded HC to take over and be part of the conversation on where the organization goes for the next qb.

But that’s just my take. Certainly, reasonable people can disagree.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by manchambo

Not exactly a sign of team trying to compete.

It's a strange move considering they are still in play for a WC position...If they were 2-6, it would make more sense.

At least they finally being honest about their future....must not have much faith in this 2021 roster.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

It's a strange move considering they are still in play for a WC position...If they were 2-6, it would make more sense.

At least they finally being honest about their future....must not have much faith in this 2021 roster.

Well, it was a good deal for them... a R2/R3 next year or keep him and get nothing next year. Either way they were spending that $9M - so, let him go and move on.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Well, it was a good deal for them... a R2/R3 next year or keep him and get nothing next year. Either way they were spending that $9M - so, let him go and move on.

I think it's a sign that, if nothing else, Paton has brought an honest, pragmatic point of view to the management of this team. He's not going to make decisions on a pipe-dream of getting the wild-card (and, I guess, getting Denver's poop pushed in if they get it) based on the team managing to (barely) beat a terrible team.

[RaiderH8r]

How do you stop Von Miller? Evidently you just need to hire Vic Fangio.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

How do you stop Von Miller? Evidently you just need to hire Vic Fangio.

That raises an interesting issue: Fangio cannot be happy about this trade. Paton just put the final nail in the coffin to cripple Fangio's defense, which already has been decimated with linebacker injuries. It seems like Fangio's departure is all but certain.

If Paton trades Bridgewater, that would make it even more clear. Fangio has been oddly stubborn in sticking with Bridgewater this season, when Bridgewater had a concussion, then injured his leg, and Fangio put him on field clearly hobbled and out of sorts. Presumably Fangio is sticking with a veteran to try to save his job.

Not that any reasonable people think Lock would be some kind of miracle at this point, but all available comparisons have suggested that Bridgewater and Lock are basically 50/50.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by manchambo

That raises an interesting issue: Fangio cannot be happy about this trade. Paton just put the final nail in the coffin to cripple Fangio's defense, which already has been decimated with linebacker injuries. It seems like Fangio's departure is all but certain.

If Paton trades Bridgewater, that would make it even more clear. Fangio has been oddly stubborn in sticking with Bridgewater this season, when Bridgewater had a concussion, then injured his leg, and Fangio put him on field clearly hobbled and out of sorts. Presumably Fangio is sticking with a veteran to try to save his job.

Not that any reasonable people think Lock would be some kind of miracle at this point, but all available comparisons have suggested that Bridgewater and Lock are basically 50/50.

Vic is out. That decision has clearly been made.