Von Miller traded to the Rams

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by manchambo

That would be a very clear sign of Denver actively tanking. Already with Miller, I don't know if people realize that Denver has already lost ALL of its starting linebackers, and then they trade away their best linebacker. Not exactly a sign of team trying to compete. But they got enough draft capital for it to make sense.

But as for Bridgewater, he did just play a pretty decent game, which Denver won, albeit that it was not an inspiring win. The difference, I think, is what would you get for Bridgewater at this point? A 5th? It might be a bit too obvious to trade your starting QB, after a win, where he played decently, for late-round pick.

I’m more inclined to think Shurmur’s dogshit play calling and piss poor preparation have more to do with the offense struggling than steady teddy two gloves. Shurmur is out coached week after week.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

I’m more inclined to think Shurmur’s dogshit play calling and piss poor preparation have more to do with the offense struggling than steady teddy two gloves. Shurmur is out coached week after week.

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by manchambo

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

I don't know who calls the plays, but that last series of plays against the Generics were the worst football IQ plays I've ever seen. There were 37 seconds left and they ran up the middle and fumbled, passed incomplete, then ran wide and fumbled. Obviously the fumbles weren't part of the play call, but dang - run backwards for a few yards and then fall down if you don't think kneeling will burn off enough time. I despise the broncos and even I was yelling at the screen. You don't want innocent children seeing playcalling like that.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I don't know who calls the plays, but that last series of plays against the Generics were the worst football IQ plays I've ever seen. There were 37 seconds left and they ran up the middle and fumbled, passed incomplete, then ran wide and fumbled. Obviously the fumbles weren't part of the play call, but dang - run backwards for a few yards and then fall down if you don't think kneeling will burn off enough time. I despise the broncos and even I was yelling at the screen. You don't want innocent children seeing playcalling like that.

I don't think that running plays vs. kneeling was completely crazy--the ball was pretty close to the goal line and you don't want to punt from the endzone.

And it seems to me you ought to be able to rely on two of your most solid veterans to (1) slide on the bootleg play, as Bridgwater damn well knew he should do, and (2) protect the ball on any rush, as Gordon damn well knows.

On the other hand, as a coach, after watching two absolute disasters on 1st and 2nd down, maybe it ought to occur to you to cut your losses and kneel on 3rd down. For whatever reason, the offensive players had lost their minds, and it was completely clear on the first two plays. It is a poor reflection on the coaches that it happened to begin with, but poorer still for them not to recognize and stop it.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by manchambo

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

I think calling Shurmur’s offense and game planning could fairly be called pedestrian at this point.

Just seems defenses have been able to really key in on what he’s trying to run. Denver has one TD on an opening drive in the last 26 games or so. That’s just disappointing no matter who you are as an OC. They don’t seem to play with a sense of urgency or creativity in their play calling.

Defense has a number of objectively quality pieces and the investment in personnel has been made by the front office but injuries have played their part to make that side of the ball a more significant challenge than it might have been.

Fangio has to see the writing on the wall. Either he’s getting neutered and firing someone this off-season as a sign he’s turning the ship. Shurmur makes a fitting sacrifice but I suspect he’ll be canned and the search will be on for the offensive minded HC to take over and be part of the conversation on where the organization goes for the next qb.

But that’s just my take. Certainly, reasonable people can disagree.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

I think calling Shurmur’s offense and game planning could fairly be called pedestrian at this point.

Just seems defenses have been able to really key in on what he’s trying to run. Denver has one TD on an opening drive in the last 26 games or so. That’s just disappointing no matter who you are as an OC. They don’t seem to play with a sense of urgency or creativity in their play calling.

Defense has a number of objectively quality pieces and the investment in personnel has been made by the front office but injuries have played their part to make that side of the ball a more significant challenge than it might have been.

Fangio has to see the writing on the wall. Either he’s getting neutered and firing someone this off-season as a sign he’s turning the ship. Shurmur makes a fitting sacrifice but I suspect he’ll be canned and the search will be on for the offensive minded HC to take over and be part of the conversation on where the organization goes for the next qb.

But that’s just my take. Certainly, reasonable people can disagree.

Just reset the entire staff... Fangio is a good dude, but he's not a HC. Shurmur is just terrible, the game passed him by a decade and a half ago.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Just reset the entire staff... Fangio is a good dude, but he's not a HC. Shurmur is just terrible, the game passed him by a decade and a half ago.

I'll take Fangio as our new DC, please fire him.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by JakeF

I'll take Fangio as our new DC, please fire him.

Fangio may be in that Monty Kiffin/Wade Phillips mold. Good DCs that can’t make the jump to an effective HC.