We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by notorious

Reid is smart enough, he will figure it out.

It's not that he can't. But Reid does lean on his offensive coaches and it would be nice to add a West Coast only guy to balance things out.

[wachashi]

It's frustrating as hell to watch teams mug Kelce out of the game. They "jam" him at the line of scrimmage for 5, 6, 7, 8 yards and take away the timing of his routes. But if one of our DBs (Ward last night) lays a hand on a receiver beyond 5 yards, it's holding, illegal contact, or pass interference.

When is the last time Kelce drew a holding or illegal contact penalty? The league is treating Kelce differently and it's costing our offense.

[HC_Chief]

Time to kiss & make up w/ Kareem Hunt. He served his time in CLE.

[MahomesMagic]

It must be hard for Andy Reid because he was the genius that evolved the WCO to make it a hybrid with college spread.

But the NFL defenses are all moving in a direction that counters this.

We need to go back to the past and use tighter formations, quick throws that get the WR's YAC, and go old school West Coast offense to counter attack.

Fangio's disciples are all around the NFL and it is all about simple. DL beats up on guys in front, secondary plays back and is protecting deep. Make offenses execute down the field. Fangio's disciples took the Fangio scheme and simplified it. No blitzes unless they get home in 1.5 seconds.

[Chris Meck]

Look;

The Gore drive was excellent. That kind of thing running is available against 2 deep zones if you have a back that can exploit it.

The other two really good drives (the one with the pick and the one TD to Hill) are also good examples of what you do against 2 deep safety defenses.

You mix and match those two approaches, eliminate turnovers, and you win games big.

Eventually you force teams to abandon the 2 deep look, and you get your one on one shots downfield.

But until then, this is what people will do every single week forever, or until Mahomes and Reid show they can beat it.

It's pretty simple, really.

Power running+ quick passing+ Reid's patented jet sweep/pitch-pass sweep stuff. Slants. little quick crosses in the middle. Make them pay. don't fumble, don't throw INT's. Eat them alive.

There is no other way to beat that defense. That's how you do it. You have to be disciplined. It's irritating, it's frustrating, and it plays on denying you want you WANT to do. Are you mature enough to beat it?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Look;

The Gore drive was excellent. That kind of thing running is available against 2 deep zones if you have a back that can exploit it.

The other two really good drives (the one with the pick and the one TD to Hill) are also good examples of what you do against 2 deep safety defenses.

You mix and match those two approaches, eliminate turnovers, and you win games big.

Eventually you force teams to abandon the 2 deep look, and you get your one on one shots downfield.

But until then, this is what people will do every single week forever, or until Mahomes and Reid show they can beat it.

It's pretty simple, really.

Power running+ quick passing+ Reid's patented jet sweep/pitch-pass sweep stuff. Slants. little quick crosses in the middle. Make them pay. don't fumble, don't throw INT's. Eat them alive.

There is no other way to beat that defense. That's how you do it. You have to be disciplined. It's irritating, it's frustrating, and it plays on denying you want you WANT to do. Are you mature enough to beat it?

Get the ball into a WR's hands fast and block for him. Take 7-8 yards and be happy.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Get the ball into a WR's hands fast and block for him. Take 7-8 yards and be happy.

Use the RBs in the passing game more. Williams was wide the **** open last night all night by just leaking out of the backfield and he had 10.2 YPC.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Get the ball into a WR's hands fast and block for him. Take 7-8 yards and be happy.

Also something we saw in pre-season a little and they talked about doing, but the multiple TE look as well. Where's Noah Gray? That's a mismatch on a LB. Force a safety up to cover that 2nd TE.

That affects what they're doing to Kelce. it affects the over the top shell.

[wachashi]

We had a lot of success exploiting the edges of the Giants defense with our speed. The sweeps picked up 10 yards a clip it seemed like. We're seeing safeties play so far back they can't help defend sweeps without first conceding yards.

Only problem is that our wide receivers have to know they can't hold onto the defender as they block when they're literally two feet from an official (Pringle).

[tk13]

Really that's part of the plan when teams play these soft defenses... if you can make the other team go 10-15 plays, you just increase the odds of a mistake. And that's what teams are banking on right now. It's not a small sample size at this point. We look like a team that is sloppy when we can't rip off a 3 or 4 play drive every once in a while.

[Chris Meck]

ALSO

once you prove that you CAN do the short, quick passing game and power running game, be patient and execute and score touchdowns most of the time-

You will force the defenses (and the opposing offenses) into the things they DON'T want to do, because you're killing them in TOP. They'll start blitzing, and they'll start trying to play hero ball on offense because THEY will get desperate to try to score every play because you're not giving them enough opportunities to keep up with you.

It's all a domino effect.

[wachashi]

Patrick is energized by the deep ball. His confidence is fueled by the improbable long-bomb throws only he can make. Without them, he's reduced to merely a top-five NFL QB.

Every 30+ yard completion is an Infinity Stone that he adds to his collection. He grows stronger with each one. Teams watch helplessly as 250 yards passing quickly becomes 500. His power accelerates exponentially.

He's got the Infinity Gauntlet but teams aren't letting him close his fist.

But it's only a matter of time before he does. And when that happens, defenses will turn to dust.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Patrick is energized by the deep ball. His confidence is fueled by the improbable long-bomb throws only he can make. Without them, he's reduced to merely a top-five NFL QB.

Every 30+ yard completion is an Infinity Stone that he adds to his collection. He grows stronger with each one. Teams watch helplessly as 250 yards passing quickly becomes 500. His power accelerates exponentially.

He's got the Infinity Gauntlet but teams aren't letting him close his fist.

But it's only a matter of time before he does. And when that happens, defenses will turn to dust.

In probably their most recent great performance… in the AFC Championship Game vs Buffalo… Mahomes had several big passing plays, including a 71 yard play to Tyreek that were short passes turned into big gains.

[jettio]

Silly to talk about run versus pass as if every running play is the same and every passing play is the same.

The whole thing comes down to designing plays that succeed against the defensive formation being run.

Chiefs might do better to run from more traditional formations and run more traps and counters if the defense they are facing does not have any studs that defeat those plays early.

Using stats to argue for pass or run without knowing shit about the formations and personnel is like 4th graders helping one another fill out their tax forms.

[dirk digler]

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