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**petegz28** · 09:46 PM

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games. I don't know why people are acting like saying we need to run more means we become the Tennessee Titans.

We ran the ball more because we were leading games and our offense was firing on all cylinders. None of this is happening anymore.

**petegz28** · 11-01-2021, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The answer is the short passing game. Mahomes has executed it at a high level previously in his career.

It is hit or miss right now. Mahomes throws one off, a drop somewhere else.

They have to keep chopping wood on the short passing game, running tweedle dee and tweedle dum up Creed's cheeks isn't the answer.

The Chiefs had 368 yards tonight with over 100 yards in penalties.

They will get it figured out.

Keep chopping wood with the axe that is Mahomes' right arm. It will sharpen up.

Williams and Gore will always be dull.

I think I mentioned the short passing game along with more running. Ball control. That's what the short passing game is.

Whatever it takes to get defenses to respect the short game.

DRM08 · 11-01-2021, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The funny thing is that most teams (like the Giants for instance) would kill to have a QB who even performed on the level Mahomes did today. There are some very bad starting QBs in the NFL. Quite a few really.

QBR grades tonight

Dan Jones = 32/100
Mahomes = 19/100

Patrick is playing terrible football these days. Who knows when he will get out of the slump, but it's ugly right now. I'm in favor of a stronger run game if they can pull it off.

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games.

Your stats are wrong.

They're on pace for 312 non-QB runs. More if you count the 17th game.

And they've been way behind half the time.

-King- · 11-01-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Not seeing him missing a lot of wide open recievers. Not saying none of the blame is on him, but take away the batted balls, the fumbles, let him scramble and not worry so much about keeping him in the pocket (which limits his game), and we are having a different conversation. If you think if what ails the offense rests more than 30% on Mahomes...

Where is Pat going here in this pocket? pic.twitter.com/qEgo2DEGc3
— Danny (@JewellHawks) November 2, 2021

Why does he need to scramble to be a good QB? Especially if it's causing him to run into sacks and miss open receivers?

**cdcox** · 11-01-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I agree with the premise here, but we have to face the facts: Mahomes is in a slump. The offense needs a consistent means of moving the ball till he figures it out.

The passing game hasn't been special all year. It may come out of it. I think it will. But thus fat it hasnt.

The offense is in a slump. It isn't more than 30% on Mahomes. Again, if the scheme that teams were running against the Chiefs were magical, all defenses would shut down all passing games. Andy needs to put on his thinking cap. There have to be whole in the secondary we are not exploiting.

JakeF · 11-01-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games. I don't know why people are acting like saying we need to run more means we become the Tennessee Titans.

Interesting

How much of that running game was Andy shutting the offense down whenever we got a 14+ lead?

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I think I mentioned the short passing game along with more running. Ball control. That's what the short passing game is.

Whatever it takes to get defenses to respect the short game.

No more running. More short passes, yes.

Darrel and Gore are one trick ponies. You cannot give them the ball 30 times.

**dirk digler** · 11-01-2021, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Not seeing him missing a lot of wide open recievers. Not saying none of the blame is on him, but take away the batted balls, the fumbles, let him scramble and not worry so much about keeping him in the pocket (which limits his game), and we are having a different conversation. If you think if what ails the offense rests more than 30% on Mahomes...

ummm he is missing a shit ton of throws. He looks like a QB with zero confidence and isn't trusting his eyes and is worried about getting sacked.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2021, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

So we are Marty's Chiefs. 20-17 wins. Take our foot off the gas. Play for the field goal. Neuter the best players on our team. Never run outside because you have no one to run outside.

AWESOME!

**** youself.

PS - You were wrong about the defense. BITCH!

Nobody is saying to permanently go in that direction…but this team….with OTs that struggle to block the edges…hell yes.

We have 700 pounds of tackles and the best interior OL in the NFL.

Let them eat.

oldman · 11-01-2021, 10:30 PM

I don't think we ought to give up on the pass for the run, but the Giants were giving us the middle of the field 8-10 yard routes all night long and we were too stubborn to take them. Take what the opposing D gives you until they die a death of a 1000 cuts and then bombs away when have to bring those safeties up. Good grief, we can't be so in love with the bomb that we lose games "because Mahomes". Face it, something is off with him this year. Even Kelce was un-Kelce tonight. Sometimes you have to use your head and not your balls. If running the ball and getting 5-6 YPC and winning just isn't sexy enough for you, go make yourself a wine spritzer and chill out. Winning is everything.

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

QBR grades tonight

Dan Jones = 32/100
Mahomes = 19/100

Patrick is playing terrible football these days. Who knows when he will get out of the slump, but it's ugly right now. I'm in favor of a stronger run game if they can pull it off.

Every run is a win for the opposing defense, that’s why they are playing the coverages they are. Reid and Mahomes just need to do better.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2021, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

ummm he is missing a shit ton of throws. He looks like a QB with zero confidence and isn't trusting his eyes and is worried about getting sacked.

EXACTLY.

Andy needs to adjust the scheme to help him in exactly those areas.

BlackOp · 11-01-2021, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

For the 1st time in years i felt like the Chiefs were more exciting running the ball tonight.

Gore was electric.

You were on here a few weeks ago saying he was a JAG...

I said I liked his vision in the preseason...

This OL excels at run blocking....Chiefs need to revamp their offensive strategy until the the 2 deep has to come up...Gore is better than Williams.

The NFL has solved the Mahomes "scramble until someone breaks open" routine...and it's only "solved" because they dont have to worry about the run.

FloridaMan88 · 11-01-2021, 10:31 PM

It’s strange that the Chiefs did make considerable efforts to improve their personnel for the short yardage plays… by signing McKinnon who is good on screens and improving their TE depth to utilize multi-TE sets.

But we’ve barely seen any of that implemented to-date.

Noah Gray was the talk of training camp and nothing 8 weeks into the season.

11-01-2021, 09:40 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1165873	We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants... As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else. 1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not. 2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk. 3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted. The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do. Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air. Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit. Last edited by petegz28; 11-01-2021 at 09:46 PM..
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11-01-2021, 10:30 PM	#86
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	I don't think we ought to give up on the pass for the run, but the Giants were giving us the middle of the field 8-10 yard routes all night long and we were too stubborn to take them. Take what the opposing D gives you until they die a death of a 1000 cuts and then bombs away when have to bring those safeties up. Good grief, we can't be so in love with the bomb that we lose games "because Mahomes". Face it, something is off with him this year. Even Kelce was un-Kelce tonight. Sometimes you have to use your head and not your balls. If running the ball and getting 5-6 YPC and winning just isn't sexy enough for you, go make yourself a wine spritzer and chill out. Winning is everything.
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11-01-2021, 10:31 PM	#90
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-807094	It’s strange that the Chiefs did make considerable efforts to improve their personnel for the short yardage plays… by signing McKinnon who is good on screens and improving their TE depth to utilize multi-TE sets. But we’ve barely seen any of that implemented to-date. Noah Gray was the talk of training camp and nothing 8 weeks into the season.
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