We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...

[petegz28]

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

[RetiredSeniorChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It doesn't matter. The Chiefs score 34 points last night if they don't turn it over.

All this hand-wringing about running the ball up Creed's ass more is what we need is stupid.

We just need to stop doing stupid stuff on offense. Death by 1,000 cuts works fine if you don't do stupid stuff.

Yes, lets keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

[Valiant]

People have been clamoring for this gameplan for weeks. If ran earlier we would at least have two more wins.

It is how you shred the 2 deep. Then when they bring up the safeties. Play action with a double move and pump fakes.

The defense looked faster tonight as well.

[MahomesMagic]

I don't think what the league is doing on defense is ending this year.

I would like to see Reid hire one of the old West Coast boys to assist him with the offense.

Go get someone like Joe Philbin who is coaching the Dallas OL to get our offense back into old school WCO to counter.

[wachashi]

It's frustrating as hell to watch teams mug Kelce out of the game. They "jam" him at the line of scrimmage for 5, 6, 7, 8 yards and take away the timing of his routes. But if one of our DBs (Ward last night) lays a hand on a receiver beyond 5 yards, it's holding, illegal contact, or pass interference.

When is the last time Kelce drew a holding or illegal contact penalty? The league is treating Kelce differently and it's costing our offense.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RetiredSeniorChief

Yes, lets keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

I can tell you running up the center's ass isn't the answer!!!!!

STOP THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[notorious]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't think what the league is doing on defense is ending this year.

I would like to see Reid hire one of the old West Coast boys to assist him with the offense.

Go get someone like Joe Philbin who is coaching the Dallas OL to get our offense back into old school WCO to counter.

Reid is smart enough, he will figure it out.

[RetiredSeniorChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I can tell you running up the center's ass isn't the answer!!!!!

STOP THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The idea is to make the Defenses at least respect the run, defenses sell out to stop the pass because the Chiefs give defenses no reason to change. 9 straight games of this including a SB embarrassment but still no real adjustment by this coaching staff. They appear to be victims of their own hubris.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by notorious

Reid is smart enough, he will figure it out.

It's not that he can't. But Reid does lean on his offensive coaches and it would be nice to add a West Coast only guy to balance things out.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RetiredSeniorChief

The idea is to make the Defenses at least respect the run

THEY WILL NEVER RESPECT BELOW AVERAGE RBS

still no real adjustment by this coaching staff. .

THE CHIEFS, THE NFL'S TERRIBLE #4 OFFENSE, WOULD HAVE SCORED 34 POINTS IF NOT FOR TURNOVERS

THE COACHING STAFF HAS ADJUSTED

THE PLAYERS ARE NOT EXECUTING

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23

I'm confused by alot of the comments here. The "cure" for our offense is West Coast run game, dink and dunk? So the exact offense the Chiefs ran for the 30 years prior to Mahomes and never once worked?

NFL defenses are on to our shit. They know our traditional cover 2 beaters. They're sitting on our routes. They're flooding zones and bracketing Hill and Kelce in certain situations.

We've been running the same offense for years and we're the most analyzed team in the game. No team has gotten the attention the Chiefs have. They're probably the most studied team in the league right now.

And as someone said last night, the Chiefs have to have a complete identity makeover in order to counter it. They have to be something they're not. Mahomes is allergic to checkdowns. Tyreek wants to get deep. The Chiefs want to get deep and use their speed.

But they have to mutate into a running team. It doesn't have to be a power run game, but it has to be a lethal run game and yeah they have to exploit underneath routes.

In order to find consistent success against this, this leopard has to change its spots. That's tough to do.

It doesn't have to look like a dink-dunk, power run game. But they do have to exploit the underneath options with traps, counters, speed sweeps etc. Idk, but they're going to have to get real creative and find some shit they can routinely go to the well with.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I can tell you running up the center's ass isn't the answer!!!!!

STOP THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Chiefs will never be a team that just runs it up the center's ass all the time.

But they do have to find ways to exploit the underneath shit that defenses are giving them. There are creative ways to run the ball and use the short passing game.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The Chiefs will never be a team that just runs it up the center's ass all the time.

But they do have to find ways to exploit the underneath shit that defenses are giving them. There are creative ways to run the ball and use the short passing game.

yep. Reid used to be called the master of the screen game, what happened to that? Is Mahomes incapable of executing the screen game?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The Chiefs will never be a team that just runs it up the center's ass all the time.

But they do have to find ways to exploit the underneath shit that defenses are giving them. There are creative ways to run the ball and use the short passing game.

I think the Chiefs were very creative last night.

So creative, in fact, they would have scored 34 points.

Until the players failed to execute.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Is Mahomes incapable of executing the screen game?

Yes. Patrick Mahomes cannot throw screen passes.

Listen to you idiots.

[HC_Chief]

Time to kiss & make up w/ Kareem Hunt. He served his time in CLE.