Chiefs Productivity or Favoritism - Page 2

Wallcrawler · 11-04-2021, 08:58 AM

With the Chiefs defensive struggles, it has been painfully obvious to everyone but the coaching staff, that we are much more productive with certain players on the field over others.

A big part of this is that Steve Spagnuolo seems to play who his favorites are, over who can actually play.

As of right now, there is no way in hell any sane person moves Nick Bolton from where he is now. However, I'd be willing to bet significant amounts of money that as soon as Hitchens is available, Steve will waste no time ousting Nick Bolton from the spot he's become a wrecking machine from.

The fact that Dan Sorensen is even allowed to dress for games is an indictment on Steve Spagnuolos judgement. His continued insistence on playing Sorensen deep is absolutely mind numbing. The guy is done.

Niemann runs slower than old lady Jenkins down the street putters along behind her walker. I'd say she has better eyesight as well, even behind her blacked out oversized terminator glasses.

At a point, someone needs to pull rank on Steve and just demand that unless there's multiple injuries these guys don't see the field.

Is Melvin Ingram going to get significant snaps? Or will he have to earn his way into Steve's good ol boy network over a few weeks before he supplants one of Steve's boys?

With the stretch of games we have coming, Steve needs to get his head out of his ass, and get the best athletes on the field.

Even if they're not "his guys".

tyreekthefreak · 11-04-2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Bolton has been great at run stuffing but he struggles in pass coverage. People were giving Niemann shit for allowing the TD on Sunday, but that was Bolton's guy and he stepped up instead of dropping. Bolton will get there and gay is obviously getting better in pass coverage. It would be great if they could both become 3 down backers. However, folks need to understand with the salaries we have on this team, that you need guys like Niemann, at the league minimum and good at special teams, on the team. I agree that they should have limited snaps and be primarily back ups.

Are you sure it was Boltons guy on the TD? Isn't that why Nieman was in on the play for, for covering the tight end because he is faster than Bolton?

JohnnyHammersticks · 11-04-2021, 10:51 AM

Niemann may not be fast, but he's not very strong either. He's very weak at the point of attack.

That's the most positive thing I can say about him.

It's obviously favoritism. Neither he or Sorenson are the least bit productive, no matter what metric you use.

Seems like Spags has a bit of Reid's stubbornness. Almost like he wants to prove people who are rightfully screaming to bench Niemann and Sorenson wrong.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-04-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak

Are you sure it was Boltons guy on the TD? Isn't that why Nieman was in on the play for, for covering the tight end because he is faster than Bolton?

Watch the replay, it was either Bolton not dropping or Spags scheme. Niemann was in the middle on that play and could never cover that receiver even if he was Ray Lewis...

Rainbarrel · 11-04-2021, 01:05 PM

Don't wear out the rookie, but if you don't it won't matter.

Sassy Squatch · 11-04-2021, 01:10 PM

Not too hard to understand why Spags defenses always fall off hard. Could you imagine being a young hungry player that can't get any time because he favors washed up JAGs that "KnOw ThE SyStEm" I'd eventually lose interest in whatever he's spouting.

Chris Meck · 11-04-2021, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Maybe we’re thinking about this all wrong.

Why can’t DOD replace Sorenson when he’s up close to the LOS. Dude was basically a S/LB hybrid in college. Don’t ask him to cover deep, like we shouldn’t be asking Sorensen to do and let him use his athleticism.

I've said this a few times a season for YEARS NOW.

crispystl · 11-04-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Not too hard to understand why Spags defenses always fall off hard. Could you imagine being a young hungry player that can't get any time because he favors washed up JAGs that "KnOw ThE SyStEm" I'd eventually lose interest in whatever he's spouting.

This is a good point. It's hard to "buy-in" when your leader won't even play the best players.

treeguy27 · 11-04-2021, 01:48 PM

Part of the Hitchens/Bolton scenario is the old idea that a guy shouldn't lose his starting job due to injury. It's dumb, but I completely expect when Hitchens is healthy he will get more reps than Bolton. After it continues to be obvious that Bolton is better, then Spags will finally concede.

arrwheader · 11-04-2021, 02:16 PM

It's already obvious and he basically said today he's playing Hitchens. That is he will at least take some snaps away from him being the Mike.

Get ready to be frustrated some more Sunday.

Sorenson's snaps increased this last week too and it showed because he sucks. Hopefully that's not a trend back up but with spags I don't put it past him.

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oldman · 11-04-2021, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Just makes you wonder what's going on with DoD and Watts. Those dudes have been on this team for years, there's not a chance in hell they dont know the system by now. I'd imagine they're here specifically because they know the system.

That's exactly the question I have every time I see a "Sorenson/Niemann is a shit player" thread. Could it be that Watts never has understood coverage and DOD's biggest hit might knock down a blow up doll?

oldman · 11-04-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Could you imagine being a young hungry player that can't get any time because he favors washed up JAGs that "KnOw ThE SyStEm" I'd eventually lose interest in whatever he's spouting.

DOD was a 3rd round pick in 2018 and Niemann an UDFA in 2018. You can hardly call DOD "young, hungry player" over Niemann. Watts was a 4th rounder in 2018, so he's not that young and probably eats pretty well when he can find the table.

Understand I'm not defending Sorenson and Niemann, but only pointing out neither Watts or DOD have done much to prove they're not just JAG ST guys.

Valiant · 11-04-2021, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Does Spags not watch practices or something? I mean I just can't imagine that Dan Sorensen or Ben Niemann look any different on the practice field.

Like how do you watch this dumbass lead footed jackass do what he does all week in practice and then make a decision on game day that THIS is the guy that needs to be the deep safety here?

Or THIS is a guy I trust in single coverage?

I just don't get it. The only place Sorensen can't really do any damage to us is in the box, as a Blitzer.

Even then, he likely doesn't get home and if by some miracle he does, odds are he's gonna miss the ****ing tackle anyway.

I mean what are the guys numbers this year? He's given up like 350 yards and 3 tds with like maybe 3 incompletions.

That #49 is a giant flashing billboard that advertises free yards, points, and amazing qbr.

We need them gone for practices also. Patrick needs to practice against a full NFL defense. Not the chiefs d plus the 3 stooges.

Halfcan · 11-04-2021, 07:47 PM

Spags ****ed the defense when he moved Jones and they brought Neiman and his buttbuddy Dirty Dan back.

11-04-2021, 08:58 AM
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $2062912	Productivity or Favoritism With the Chiefs defensive struggles, it has been painfully obvious to everyone but the coaching staff, that we are much more productive with certain players on the field over others. A big part of this is that Steve Spagnuolo seems to play who his favorites are, over who can actually play. As of right now, there is no way in hell any sane person moves Nick Bolton from where he is now. However, I'd be willing to bet significant amounts of money that as soon as Hitchens is available, Steve will waste no time ousting Nick Bolton from the spot he's become a wrecking machine from. The fact that Dan Sorensen is even allowed to dress for games is an indictment on Steve Spagnuolos judgement. His continued insistence on playing Sorensen deep is absolutely mind numbing. The guy is done. Niemann runs slower than old lady Jenkins down the street putters along behind her walker. I'd say she has better eyesight as well, even behind her blacked out oversized terminator glasses. At a point, someone needs to pull rank on Steve and just demand that unless there's multiple injuries these guys don't see the field. Is Melvin Ingram going to get significant snaps? Or will he have to earn his way into Steve's good ol boy network over a few weeks before he supplants one of Steve's boys? With the stretch of games we have coming, Steve needs to get his head out of his ass, and get the best athletes on the field. Even if they're not "his guys".
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11-04-2021, 10:51 AM	#17
JohnnyHammersticks MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chandler AZ Casino cash: $-549996	Niemann may not be fast, but he's not very strong either. He's very weak at the point of attack. That's the most positive thing I can say about him. It's obviously favoritism. Neither he or Sorenson are the least bit productive, no matter what metric you use. Seems like Spags has a bit of Reid's stubbornness. Almost like he wants to prove people who are rightfully screaming to bench Niemann and Sorenson wrong.
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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1430345	Not too hard to understand why Spags defenses always fall off hard. Could you imagine being a young hungry player that can't get any time because he favors washed up JAGs that "KnOw ThE SyStEm" I'd eventually lose interest in whatever he's spouting.
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treeguy27 Starter Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $610400	Part of the Hitchens/Bolton scenario is the old idea that a guy shouldn't lose his starting job due to injury. It's dumb, but I completely expect when Hitchens is healthy he will get more reps than Bolton. After it continues to be obvious that Bolton is better, then Spags will finally concede.
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11-04-2021, 02:16 PM	#24
arrwheader Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $46613	It's already obvious and he basically said today he's playing Hitchens. That is he will at least take some snaps away from him being the Mike. Get ready to be frustrated some more Sunday. Sorenson's snaps increased this last week too and it showed because he sucks. Hopefully that's not a trend back up but with spags I don't put it past him. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
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