Nick Bolton wins NFL defensive rookie of the month

[-King-]

Offensive and Defensive Rookies of the Month! (October)@ohthatsNajee22 | @_nickbolton2 pic.twitter.com/GiVZaAXUK8

— NFL (@NFL) November 4, 2021

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Mizzou fans (here) are brutally honest about players that come out in the draft. ****ers shoulda known.

MIZ!!!!!!


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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chargem

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

I think he’s better than “average” too.

He has a 74.3 grade on PFF. I know it’s PFF, but you don’t get grades like that being trash or even average.

At worst he’s above average, and if his play this year allows us to get him at a discount, I’m not against re-signing him either.

To give you perspective, Eric Fisher has a 63.1.

[Hammock Parties]

Give us the pass blocking grades for the OL bud.

[RunKC]

Bottom line: Bolton, Humphrey and Smith is a ****ing A+ draft. Veach killed this draft

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Bottom line: Bolton, Humphrey and Smith is a ****ing A+ draft. Veach killed this draft

I was told by you that there was no way that Veach could match his 2020 draft…

[JohnnyHammersticks]

I have no idea how Hitchens or Niemann ever sees the field except to give Gay and Bolton a quick rest or if one of them is plugged in as a 3rd LB. The difference in playmaking ability couldn't be more obvious when Bolton and Gay are on the field.

It's almost as if Spags thinks this is the NCAAA and he's afraid of burning their redshirt seasons if Gay and Bolton play more than a certain number of snaps.

[siberian khatru]

Steve Spagnuolo on the Chiefs' LB plans as Anthony Hitchens returns: "Hitch, to me, he's the guy that smooths everything out." Says they'll both be in at times, can play together, etc. Says "I don't know if we'll go that route" when asked if Hitchens could play SAM.

— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) November 4, 2021

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chargem

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

Again - the math doesn't check out here.

We gave up a 1st and a 3rd, we got a 2nd and Brown. 2 'players' in, 2 players out.

The players in were Brown and Bolton. The players out is subject to some conjecture but let's give this argument the benefit of the doubt and say its two solid players:

Joe Tryon to address our need at DE and, I dunno, Elijah Molden to backfill for losing Breeland.

So the trade at that point becomes:

Brown, Bolton and about $6 million in cap space (because without Brown we need to bring back Fisher) for Tryon and Molden.

How's this a bad trade again? This version of fisher is WORSE than Brown. By a fair amount. And without Bolten this defense would be fuuuuuuucked even moreso than it already is. Additionally, that $6 million in cap space is almost exactly what it cost to sign Reed and trade for Ingram. Now Reed's disappointed thus far but the book isn't written yet there and at worst he's allowed some rotational depth.

The Chiefs could let Brown walk for a comp pick after this season and not have lost this deal. If they tag him and THEN let him walk for a comp pick, it's a clear win. If they sign him long-term to a reasonable deal and get an above average LT for 5 years, it's a friggen home run.

This deal has essentially zero chance to be a 'bad' trade. It's nothing like the Clark deal (and trust me, I have NO problem calling out Veach for a bad move).

I just cannot understand how people are still upset about this trade.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Perfect timing.

I just posted in another thread that I am worried about Hitch coming back and taking the Mike position.

Hopefully Spags keeps Bolton at Mike.

Could Hitch take Niemans role? Would it make sense to move Hitch?

Hitch made the team because he makes the vet minimum. Oh wait...

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Steve Spagnuolo on the Chiefs' LB plans as Anthony Hitchens returns: "Hitch, to me, he's the guy that smooths everything out." Says they'll both be in at times, can play together, etc. Says "I don't know if we'll go that route" when asked if Hitchens could play SAM.

— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) November 4, 2021

It’s coming….

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

MIZ!!!!!!


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ZOU!!!

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

It’s coming….

I hate how these coaches play favorites. Niemann, Dieter, Dirty Dan, and now add Hitch to the list. Bolton has been what Hitch was suppose to be and some. Wish Tim Ward would have been higher up on the favorites list!

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - the math doesn't check out here.

We gave up a 1st and a 3rd, we got a 2nd and Brown. 2 'players' in, 2 players out.

The players in were Brown and Bolton. The players out is subject to some conjecture but let's give this argument the benefit of the doubt and say its two solid players:

Joe Tryon to address our need at DE and, I dunno, Elijah Molden to backfill for losing Breeland.

So the trade at that point becomes:

Brown, Bolton and about $6 million in cap space (because without Brown we need to bring back Fisher) for Tryon and Molden.

How's this a bad trade again? This version of fisher is WORSE than Brown. By a fair amount. And without Bolten this defense would be fuuuuuuucked even moreso than it already is. Additionally, that $6 million in cap space is almost exactly what it cost to sign Reed and trade for Ingram. Now Reed's disappointed thus far but the book isn't written yet there and at worst he's allowed some rotational depth.

The Chiefs could let Brown walk for a comp pick after this season and not have lost this deal. If they tag him and THEN let him walk for a comp pick, it's a clear win. If they sign him long-term to a reasonable deal and get an above average LT for 5 years, it's a friggen home run.

This deal has essentially zero chance to be a 'bad' trade. It's nothing like the Clark deal (and trust me, I have NO problem calling out Veach for a bad move).

I just cannot understand how people are still upset about this trade.

Well for one, they aren’t even capable of looking at the alternatives.

Trent Williams has been in an out of the starting lineup.

Eric Fisher has been below average.

There aren’t any stud day 1 rookie LT’s that were available.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Give us the pass blocking grades for the OL bud.

Left to Right (OBJ, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang)

70.8 -- 81.4 -- 70.6 -- 66.5 -- 58.2

Brown's right around the top 20 of full time starting tackles, some of whom are RTs. To whatever extent you care about PFF, he's in the same tier as guys like Garrett Boles, Jason Peters, Lane Johnson, Taylor Lewan, Isaiah Wynn, Cam Robinson and Taylor Moton.

He's been fine. Maybe a little above average, maybe a little below average - whatever the case may be, he's firmly in the 'solid veteran LT' tier. He's had some bad snaps and some good ones.

There's an interesting alternative option in Samuel Cosmi who I really liked in this draft. The Chiefs could've taken him with their 1st rounder instead of dealing it for Brown and he's had a solid season thus far. But really, they'd have probably gone with Teven Jenkins and he's already showing back problems (bad bad bad news for young OL). Setting aside the long-term ramifications, the near term impact of that is running Niang out there at LT this year and I just don't know how we can say that's prefereable to what we've seen with Brown.

This is just a non-starter of an argument. There's no rational basis to conclude that Brown's been a bad player or that this was a bad trade.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Well for one, they aren’t even capable of looking at the alternatives.

Trent Williams has been in an out of the starting lineup.

Eric Fisher has been below average.

There aren’t any stud day 1 rookie LT’s that were available.

Trent Williams wasn't an alternative. He was Option A and he elected not to sign here.

Both parties gotta sign the deal, brah. Health issues or no, he elected to stay in SF. It is what it is.