Post here if you were an idiot who thought we needed to run the ball more.

[Hammock Parties]

Particularly if you believed it needed to be done out of power formations

No, the Chiefs needed to execute the passing game. And they finally did. They fought their way out of it.

And now we are going to skull**** everyone with our goddamn elite QB.

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Also wonder if Pat was on Cocaine last night. Dude was ****ing wired in compared to this last month of shit. Don't remember much if at all of those plays where he just holds the ball then does something really stupid in panic/desperation. Quick, accurate, and decisive.

Yup, I thought Mahomes finally looked “calm” out there. In prior games he seemed a bit too amped up. Trying to make things happen before the ball was even snapped! As you stated, Turtle, he looked very quick and decisive in his play. He was a bit “off” on his long throws, but you could just see him begin to dial those in too.

BTW, Darrell Williams tremendous catch in the endzone just shows how much we miss a guy who can go up and battle for a ball. Tyreek high points well, but he is just too short to consistently win those battles. We could really use that skillset in this offense. I still have hopes for J Gordon; clearly he’s showing the effects of not playing in awhile and in not having a pre-season to get his timing and communication down with Patrick. Of course, he could also be over the hill; I’m just hoping he still has something left in the tank — we may not know until next year.

[Dayze]

as others have probably mentioned, I don't think running the ball is going to get opposing defenses to put another guy in the box; they're absolutely going to hang back and not get hammered over the top.

what will get them to get out of that 2 high look is executing long methodical drives that lead to points and a defense that can force a few punts. eventually Chiefs are up by 10-14 or more points. opposing defenses will have to come out of that look to try to end drives and get the ball back.

last nights game is exactly the formula the Chiefs need to do to counter other teams' 'formula' in beating Mahomes. Be patient, take what's given, limit penalties (offensively and defensively not extending opponents drives via penalty) and don't turn over the ball. Literally, focus on executing the play at hand, and metriculate.



IMO

[BWillie]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - there is almost no reason to ever run the ball on 1st down or 2nd and over 5. You are just giving away expected yards and points. Run the ball on those downs when you are up by multiple scores in the second half, yeah sure fine but early in the game pass every time in those situations.

Our short passing game keeps the defense more honest than running the ball up the middle.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I've said it before and I'll say it again - there is almost no reason to ever run the ball on 1st down or 2nd and over 5. You are just giving away expected yards and points. Run the ball on those downs when you are up by multiple scores in the second half, yeah sure fine but early in the game pass every time in those situations.

Our short passing game keeps the defense more honest than running the ball up the middle.

I like occasionally running the ball on 2nd and long.

3rd and 10 is a hell of a lot harder than 3rd and 6. You can do whip routes and arrow routes and quick slants or comebacks to the TE that are easy 5-7 yard plays but those aren't really viable for 10 yards.

I hate almost every 1st down run but you do have to do it on occasion as a tendency breaker. On 2nd down and 10, however, I think most defenses are expecting pass so you probably have a nice chance to pick up 4-5 yards and set up a much broader playbook for 3rd down.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, the Raiders were pretty hard-headed.

They were still playing a lot of Cover 3 (the original "Mahomes Killer") and there's a that cover 3 can do to mess up those deep passes as well. But they were playing a cover 3 with Jonathan Abram who...sucks.

That said, the confidence that Mahomes was playing with last night was completely unlike anything we've seen out of him since the Ravens game. He was back to his old self.

So while the Raiders defense in some ways made things easier, the Titans defense wasn't exactly playing well out there, Mahomes was just missing. He was in a slump. He appears on his way to pulling out of it.

No, the answer is not running the ball 30 times a game. The Chiefs used the passing game to establish a lead and then took the air out of the ball late. They worked the underneath routes (those short crossers finally came back out again) to draw the safeties down and made the Raiders pay anytime the tried to cheat on them.

They handed the ball to the RB 20 times on the day (for the record, FAR too many of those were off tackle right on 1st down), 8 of those came after they'd established a double digit lead late in the 3rd and into the 4th.

It was EXACTLY how they need to operate moving forward. They're not a power running team with an elite quarterback. They shouldn't try to be. They're an elite passing offense with the ability to use their interior line to win situational reps. Their quarterback hit the first slump of his career and battled his way out the other side.

This is what they do and this is what they should be. Anyone trying to claim some level of vindication for a gameplan that featured 20 handoffs and 5 touchdown passes as proof that running the football was how the Chiefs needed to win simply wasn't paying attention.

Well said.

[DJ's left nut]

By the way - THIS is how the Chiefs will draw safeties down:



One catch all night made 15 yards downfield and he went for 120 yards.

Safeties play us 15-18 yards deep at the snap and are bailing immediately. You keep hitting Kelce underneath and they're going to stop doing that. You don't 'establish the run' - you establish Travis Kelce.

That's how you'll keep those deep shots open.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

Still wanna start slowly working in more power run game concepts into the offense instead of running outside zone with offensive lineman who are objectively a better fit for a power run game. Acting like power formations would neuter the offense’s ability is silly, but up Clays alley.

I don't mind a few outside runs, particularly early in the game. I would prefer to do it with Jet sweeps, but that keeps those edge rushers honest and they can't turn it loose as much as they want...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

rUn ThE bALl

3 3:38 3-2 LVR 49 Patrick Mahomes pass complete deep left to Tyreek Hill for 32 yards

4 9:09 3-2 KAN 45 Patrick Mahomes pass complete short middle to Travis Kelce for 30 yards

62 yards on two plays that led to touchdowns where Chief fan wanted buttsex

This is what we should have been doing all year. On those plays they had the safeties down and stacked the box. We still need to run the ball against 6 in the box or have the short passes to the RB and Kelce we did last night.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

This is what we should have been doing all year. On those plays they had the safeties down and stacked the box. We still need to run the ball against 6 in the box or have the short passes to the RB and Kelce we did last night.

If Hardman did nothing but run short crossers for the rest of the year, he'd provide plenty of value.

Teams can/will counter Kelce by bracketing him. You can do that and still maintain a little bit of a 2 high look. But you can't do that if you also have to account for Hardman streaking over the middle because he'll manage to lose anyone that's trying to hang with him and if you have him going the opposite direction of Kelce, you force a decision point for that safety looking to bracket Kelce.

It won't work every time, but it'll work plenty often and if Hardman gets that ball in full stride, he's going to have an angle on anyone trying to cover him.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Hardman did nothing but run short crossers for the rest of the year, he'd provide plenty of value.

Teams can/will counter Kelce by bracketing him. You can do that and still maintain a little bit of a 2 high look. But you can't do that if you also have to account for Hardman streaking over the middle because he'll manage to lose anyone that's trying to hang with him and if you have him going the opposite direction of Kelce, you force a decision point for that safety looking to bracket Kelce.

It won't work every time, but it'll work plenty often and if Hardman gets that ball in full stride, he's going to have an angle on anyone trying to cover him.

I also like good old fashioned half boot floods against the 2 high look, we have done a few of these but not consistently.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Hardman did nothing but run short crossers for the rest of the year, he'd provide plenty of value.

Teams can/will counter Kelce by bracketing him. You can do that and still maintain a little bit of a 2 high look. But you can't do that if you also have to account for Hardman streaking over the middle because he'll manage to lose anyone that's trying to hang with him and if you have him going the opposite direction of Kelce, you force a decision point for that safety looking to bracket Kelce.

It won't work every time, but it'll work plenty often and if Hardman gets that ball in full stride, he's going to have an angle on anyone trying to cover him.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

By the way - THIS is how the Chiefs will draw safeties down:



One catch all night made 15 yards downfield and he went for 120 yards.

Safeties play us 15-18 yards deep at the snap and are bailing immediately. You keep hitting Kelce underneath and they're going to stop doing that. You don't 'establish the run' - you establish Travis Kelce.

That's how you'll keep those deep shots open.

I believe most teams have been dropping their LB's deep enough that the safeties don't need to come up.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I've said it before and I'll say it again - there is almost no reason to ever run the ball on 1st down or 2nd and over 5. You are just giving away expected yards and points. Run the ball on those downs when you are up by multiple scores in the second half, yeah sure fine but early in the game pass every time in those situations.

Our short passing game keeps the defense more honest than running the ball up the middle.

Get out with non sense. Dynasty's are built on running the ball and playing defense with your elite QB moving the chains when needed. Not to run it is not sustainable. No reason to run on early downs is a nut ball strategy.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by morphius

I believe most teams have been dropping their LB's deep enough that the safeties don't need to come up.

Like I said - keep sending Hardman on those short crossers and tell those LBs they get to try to hang with him. At that point the LBs will serve no purpose but to get in the way of the CB that's trying to run with him.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Dynasty's are built on running the ball