***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't know that I'd go crazy calling for mandates to be put in place, but I also struggle to understand the angst about it. It's not like they're unprecedented (e.g., vaccines for kids in schools, regional vaccine requirements for travel), and there are plenty of other health restrictions that people don't think twice about (e.g., shirts and shoes in stores, physicals to drive a semi truck, eye exams to be able to drive a car).

It just doesn't seem that unreasonable to me for there to be vaccine requirements in places where someone could spread he disease to others. Yes, I fully understand that some people view vaccines as the most evil thing ever created, but logically I can't wrap my mind around why it's such a huge deal.

This is a reasonable take. I honestly don’t think we will get to the point that people won’t be allowed in a grocery store if they don’t have a vaccine. We have never done that with any disease that I know of.

I understand restrictions. But vaccine requirements to work remotely, or to go to the grocery store seem heavy handed to me. I don’t understand the I have the vaccine, but you don’t have the vaccine so you are putting me in danger. When anyone can pass the disease to anyone. Some people have not had the traditional vaccines that everyone else has (whatever their reasons may be) , but we don’t treat them as second hand citizens that can’t participate in society like some Europeans are treating their citizens over this.

I think mRNA is the future just need to keep testing it.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd kind of like to see a scorecard. Maybe it's out there, but I'm too lazy to look.

We have 330 million Americans. Can we divide them into these groups?

Vaccinated, boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated boosted, haven't had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, haven't had Covid
Unvaccinated and had Covid
Unvaccinated and haven't had Covid

You can put a +1 here

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by TLO

You can put a +1 here

Okay, that's a start.

I'm in Group 4 right now, hoping to join Group 2 soon.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm pretty much in agreement here. I'll wait to see what kind of waning immunity shows up after the 3rd dose. I'm optimistic a 3rd dose might just complete the series. But realistically we'll probably need at least yearly boosters.

I'm fine with eventually getting another booster, depending on what kind of community transmission we're having or if I'm planning to travel.

I do not support any of the lockdown scenarios proposed.

100% agree with TLO.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd kind of like to see a scorecard. Maybe it's out there, but I'm too lazy to look.

We have 330 million Americans. Can we divide them into these groups?

Vaccinated, boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated boosted, haven't had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, haven't had Covid
Unvaccinated and had Covid
Unvaccinated and haven't had Covid

+1 here.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd kind of like to see a scorecard. Maybe it's out there, but I'm too lazy to look.

We have 330 million Americans. Can we divide them into these groups?

Vaccinated, boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated boosted, haven't had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, haven't had Covid
Unvaccinated and had Covid
Unvaccinated and haven't had Covid

Work is offering $25 upon booster, available on site any time I want to sign up for it. Probably will before the holidays. Had basically no side effects after the first 2 shots. Planned them on a Friday thinking I'd need a weekend to recover. Nope, went golfing several hours after the first shot. Arm soreness the next day, otherwise nothing. I'll probably do the booster if nothing more than peace of mind for holiday interactions.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Fish

Work is offering $25 upon booster, available on site any time I want to sign up for it. Probably will before the holidays. Had basically no side effects after the first 2 shots. Planned them on a Friday thinking I'd need a weekend to recover. Nope, went golfing several hours after the first shot. Arm soreness the next day, otherwise nothing. I'll probably do the booster if nothing more than peace of mind for holiday interactions.

The first shot was nothing for me, but the second shot kicked my *** for precisely 24 hours. I remember at one point lying down and deciding that I was hungry. I worked my way to a sitting position and decided it wasn't worth it, so I just collapsed back down.

Like a lot of other people, I felt no impact for the first 24 hours, and then the second 24 hours was brutal. Then suddenly I was fine again. This is an issue to consider for the booster because the only times available to get the shot are the afternoon before my wife and I have an out-of-town visitor over for dinner that evening, or the day before that. I decided that the odds are that I'll be okay if I get the shot late in the afternoon before the dinner date, but I hope I'm right.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd kind of like to see a scorecard. Maybe it's out there, but I'm too lazy to look.

We have 330 million Americans. Can we divide them into these groups?

Vaccinated, boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated boosted, haven't had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, haven't had Covid
Unvaccinated and had Covid
Unvaccinated and haven't had Covid

I’m hearing more and more everyday of…..

Getting Covid after vaccination

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I’m hearing more and more everyday of…..

Getting Covid after vaccination

That has more to do with how your body works than the vaccine.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd kind of like to see a scorecard. Maybe it's out there, but I'm too lazy to look.

We have 330 million Americans. Can we divide them into these groups?

Vaccinated, boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated boosted, haven't had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, haven't had Covid
Unvaccinated and had Covid
Unvaccinated and haven't had Covid

+1 here, though I'm strongly considering boosting at this point. Not certain it is necessary, but don't think it is harmful either.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid - Got COVID 8.5 months after getting vaccinated.

[PHOG]

Vaccinated, boosted, not had covid

[chinaski]

Vaccinated, Not Boosted, Haven't had COVID

I'm scheduled for the Booster this Saturday at Noon (Pfizer). Figured I would give myself all day Sunday if I get any side effects. The second shot kicked my ass (Pfizer).

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Your premise makes a lot of assumptions about what the situation will be in the future. I generally just follow the recommendations of the CDC. They're not perfect, but they spend a ton more time on understanding all of this than any of us ever will.



So that's my answer. If the CDC recommends I get another booster, sure, I'm in. If they don't, I won't. That's about all there is to it.



I don't personally understand the "how long will you put up with it" angle. I've gotten flu shots most years in the past decade (though admittedly not every year), and this isn't really any different.

Same. I've gotten flu shots every year for several years and haven't gotten it. Prior to that I got it once a year. I'll get a booster if it's recommended. I just felt tired on my 2nd shot so hopefully same on the 3rd.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Monticore

That has more to do with how your body works than the vaccine.

I wasn’t clear in my wording. I’m talking about several FF friends of mine who worked all last year and never got Covid but within a few months of them and their families getting vaccinated, they came down with symptoms and tested positive for Covid. Nobody serious and no hospitalizations but still got it (presumably the delta variant)

I wasn’t talking about vaccine reactions

As to the original post: I am vaccinated and booster is next month, no Covid yet