Chiefs Thoughts going into the bye.

Wallcrawler · 11-22-2021, 03:35 AM

7-4. First in the AFC WEST. Easily could have been 9- 2 at this point with self inflicted wounds snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against the Ravens and Chargers.

If before those games you were told youd be down 1 point under a minute left, ball deep in Raven territory 2nd and 3, youd be all over it.

If you were told Patrick Mahomes gets the football 1st and 10 with 2:12 left in the game with LA out of timeouts, tie game, again, youd be all over it.

Instead Clyde fumbles the ball away, and Kelce stops running his route. 2 turnovers, 2 losses on 2 bad possessions.

Weve been outclassed twice getting pounded by the Bills and Titans in contests where we simply were not prepared to play.

Defense has drastically changed , and no, revisionists, it does not now invalidate criticism of Steve Spagnuolo's results early on. He was a ****ing hardheaded moron refusing to believe his shit stunk while thousands in attendance routinely vomited from the stench.

The addition of Melvin Ingram has been huge, effectively forcing Jones back inside where he is best. Bolton and Gay are looking like they could be what we all hoped for. Sneed is a stud in the secondary and for the moment at least, Mathieu's vagina has stopped bleeding.

Offensively, Creed Humphrey is the best center in the league. Rookie rg Trey Smith routinely takes souls. We have arguably the best interior line in football.

That said, Clyde needs to take a back seat to DW. His numbers say hes okay, but the eye test shows he has zero vision. He routinely plows into his line when he could cut or bounce. I havent seen vision this bad since Trent Richardson, also a wasted 1st rd pick.

The Chiefs need to commit to Pringle as the 2 and stop trying to insert Hardman, Robinson, and Gordon. Gordon is washed. Hardman is just overcome by full ignant every time he takes the field. Wrong routes, not aware the ball is coming, drops, fumbles, hyper aggressive ignant when he does make a play seemingly begging for a flag to undo his one thing he did right.

A gadget player and punt returner not trusted to field punts. To think we could have had DK Metcalf.

The Chiefs appear to be on the rise as the rest of the powers in the league are stumbling. We have a week to heal and figure out how to get our receivers to stop dropping passes, and maybe get Clyde Lasik surgery, before we put an assbeating on the visiting donks, led by Teddy Businessdecision.

If the defense that Dork Pres**** faced shows up, Teddy will be riding the pine by halftime.

This team, with this defense, can run the table if we just figure out how to stop dropping passes we get 2 hands on, and teach Clyde to look for the ****ing hole before charging blindly into the asses of his o line.

Direckshun · 11-22-2021, 04:23 AM

This is a connected thought, concerning the team's hardheadedness when it comes to personnel early on. It is a trend with this team under Reid.

They will roll with some variations of their Week 1 roster for much of the early season on both sides of the ball, before letting the best talent eventually win out by the time November wraps up. I remember this being a trend on the offensive line early on in the Reid tenure, during the Alex Smith era.

I think it serves dual purposes. First of all, I think it buys you all kinds of cred with the locker room and the veterans on the team. Allowing the usually-older talent to wither on the vine on the field every October while the more dynamic talent sprinkles in good play and eventually takes the reins buys a lot more credibility with the locker room than people may think, which has got to be one of the reasons the Chiefs have routinely had outstanding locker rooms and have never once had a younger talent vs. older talent factions in the locker room. The vets know Reid is giving them every chance to earn their job.

I also think having the slower trigger finger provides the coaching staff the security that they're not moving on too fast and that they really are phasing out ineffective players, and not players who may have slumped for a few games but still can lock down their positions over the course of a season.

I do agree, though, that the early play this season should still saddle Spags with blame. His personnel situations early one were abominable. His adjustments since then have legend-potential, and I'm not kidding. Both things can be true.

Danguardace · 11-22-2021, 05:20 AM

I just love the run defense and having faith that teams are not get 5-6 yards without even trying. That in turn has improved the pass rush because we are genuinely seeing 3rd and longs not 3rd and short.

Pass protection still an major worry for me, if the defense turns back into a pumpkin Protecting Mahomes is gong to be key.

**petegz28** · 11-22-2021, 05:24 AM

We have left a lot of points on the field. Hopefully we come out of the bye and quit doing that so much.

Yesterday was 4 if not 7 or more.

Missed XP
Missed FG
Dropped pass for INT

Every game will have points left on the field but we have done it too much thus far save maybe the Raiders and Eagles games.

And really it just comes down to protecting the ball better.

Dunerdr · 11-22-2021, 07:16 AM

I'm a little worried, the offense went back into stall mode in the second half yesterday. But i have to disagree on the Clyde/DW thing. They look basically the same. Clyde doesnt see holes, DW isnt fast enough to hit the crease if its there. Its a toss up but ill gamble on the upside.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 11-22-2021, 07:23 AM

Best defense in the league. Offense still loses itself at times.

**petegz28** · 11-22-2021, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I'm a little worried, the offense went back into stall mode in the second half yesterday. But i have to disagree on the Clyde/DW thing. They look basically the same. Clyde doesnt see holes, DW isnt fast enough to hit the crease if its there. Its a toss up but ill gamble on the upside.

They did but we also had a missed FG and the Kelce tip\INT.

scho63 · 11-22-2021, 08:10 AM

1. Good time to heal
2. Bad time for BYE since we have been hot
3. Good time to watch the AFC rejuggle before next game

jd1020 · 11-22-2021, 08:13 AM

Thoughts going into the bye... I trust the defense more than the offense all of a sudden.

Dunerdr · 11-22-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

They did but we also had a missed FG and the Kelce tip\INT.

I'm more worried about how they responded. It's like the magic was just gone and we went back to week 5ish offense. In years past a pick or fumble happens and they come back and keep playing and take the momentum back.

**RealSNR** · 11-22-2021, 08:50 AM

CEH was the 32nd overall pick.

The Browns traded UP to #3 overall to take Trent Richardson.

“They’re both first round picks” is like saying Patrick Mahomes and Teddy Bridgewater are both NFL QBs. It’s oversimplifying something such that it becomes a misleading sentiment

ThaVirus · 11-22-2021, 08:53 AM

It's hard to feel anything but pretty happy after a 4-game win streak.

I will say that I have lost some confidence in our offense. For the last few years, I just became accustomed to great things happening. Pat would load up to throw downfield and I was like "**** yeah!". These days I'm expecting an errant pass or a tipped INT.

At the same time, I have gained a lot of confidence in the defense.

If we're able to put the pieces together when it matters down the stretch, we can make it back to the Super Bowl. Like, if the offense that played @ Vegas shows up with the defense against the Cowboys last night? Pssh. We will stomp anyone we play. It'll be a slaughterhouse.

And looking at the schedule coming out of the bye, it isn't too bad:

Broncos
Raiders
@ Chargers
Steelers
@ Bengals
@ Broncos

Aside from going to LA on a short week, all of those games are pretty favorable for us. We've got a great shot at running the table.

oldman · 11-22-2021, 09:09 AM

There's plenty of blame to be spread around for the losses. Jones playing out of position, Gay being hurt, Clark whoknows what, Andy/PMII not adjusting to Cover 2, all have contributed to our 7-4 record.

But the ship appears to be somewhat righted now. There are some things to be cleaned up, like false starts and unsportsman like penalties, dropped passes, and the like. We can't give the all away 22 times and expect to win much in the post season. Sure enough some of those INTs weren't Mahomes's fault, but when you ignore a wide open receiver 10 yards down the field to throw into double coverage 30 yards down, you have to readjust your thinking. Take what the defense gives you, every game doesn't have to be a higlight reel.

**ChiTown** · 11-22-2021, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63

1. Good time to heal
2. Bad time for BYE since we have been hot
3. Good time to watch the AFC rejuggle before next game

I actually like the timing.

We just finished a very difficult 3-game stretch. We have some guys that are dinged up, which gives them another week to heal up (we may have Niang and or Remmers back at RT for the Denver game, which would be big).

This off week gives us some time to charge the batteries and be ready to finish strong in the last 6 weeks of the regular season.

comochiefsfan · 11-22-2021, 09:50 AM

Andy, EB, Kafka, Mahomes, Hill, Kelce etc. Need to find a film room and spend several days dissecting how to attack this cover 2 shell.

We have 2 weeks to figure it out. We have to find the weakness and consistently start to exploit it. The defense is coming into it's own.

What the Raider game showed is that the old offense is still in there. If it emerges consistently then we're going to win the Super Bowl. It's really as simple as that.

If this team is clicking it wins the Super Bowl.

11-22-2021, 03:35 AM
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $2062912	Thoughts going into the bye. 7-4. First in the AFC WEST. Easily could have been 9- 2 at this point with self inflicted wounds snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against the Ravens and Chargers. If before those games you were told youd be down 1 point under a minute left, ball deep in Raven territory 2nd and 3, youd be all over it. If you were told Patrick Mahomes gets the football 1st and 10 with 2:12 left in the game with LA out of timeouts, tie game, again, youd be all over it. Instead Clyde fumbles the ball away, and Kelce stops running his route. 2 turnovers, 2 losses on 2 bad possessions. Weve been outclassed twice getting pounded by the Bills and Titans in contests where we simply were not prepared to play. Defense has drastically changed , and no, revisionists, it does not now invalidate criticism of Steve Spagnuolo's results early on. He was a **ing hardheaded moron refusing to believe his shit stunk while thousands in attendance routinely vomited from the stench. The addition of Melvin Ingram has been huge, effectively forcing Jones back inside where he is best. Bolton and Gay are looking like they could be what we all hoped for. Sneed is a stud in the secondary and for the moment at least, Mathieu's vagina has stopped bleeding. Offensively, Creed Humphrey is the best center in the league. Rookie rg Trey Smith routinely takes souls. We have arguably the best interior line in football. That said, Clyde needs to take a back seat to DW. His numbers say hes okay, but the eye test shows he has zero vision. He routinely plows into his line when he could cut or bounce. I havent seen vision this bad since Trent Richardson, also a wasted 1st rd pick. The Chiefs need to commit to Pringle as the 2 and stop trying to insert Hardman, Robinson, and Gordon. Gordon is washed. Hardman is just overcome by full ignant every time he takes the field. Wrong routes, not aware the ball is coming, drops, fumbles, hyper aggressive ignant when he does make a play seemingly begging for a flag to undo his one thing he did right. A gadget player and punt returner not trusted to field punts. To think we could have had DK Metcalf. The Chiefs appear to be on the rise as the rest of the powers in the league are stumbling. We have a week to heal and figure out how to get our receivers to stop dropping passes, and maybe get Clyde Lasik surgery, before we put an assbeating on the visiting donks, led by Teddy Businessdecision. If the defense that Dork Pres faced shows up, Teddy will be riding the pine by halftime. This team, with this defense, can run the table if we just figure out how to stop dropping passes we get 2 hands on, and teach Clyde to look for the **ing hole before charging blindly into the asses of his o line.
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11-22-2021, 04:23 AM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	This is a connected thought, concerning the team's hardheadedness when it comes to personnel early on. It is a trend with this team under Reid. They will roll with some variations of their Week 1 roster for much of the early season on both sides of the ball, before letting the best talent eventually win out by the time November wraps up. I remember this being a trend on the offensive line early on in the Reid tenure, during the Alex Smith era. I think it serves dual purposes. First of all, I think it buys you all kinds of cred with the locker room and the veterans on the team. Allowing the usually-older talent to wither on the vine on the field every October while the more dynamic talent sprinkles in good play and eventually takes the reins buys a lot more credibility with the locker room than people may think, which has got to be one of the reasons the Chiefs have routinely had outstanding locker rooms and have never once had a younger talent vs. older talent factions in the locker room. The vets know Reid is giving them every chance to earn their job. I also think having the slower trigger finger provides the coaching staff the security that they're not moving on too fast and that they really are phasing out ineffective players, and not players who may have slumped for a few games but still can lock down their positions over the course of a season. I do agree, though, that the early play this season should still saddle Spags with blame. His personnel situations early one were abominable. His adjustments since then have legend-potential, and I'm not kidding. Both things can be true.
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11-22-2021, 05:24 AM	#4
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1085873	We have left a lot of points on the field. Hopefully we come out of the bye and quit doing that so much. Yesterday was 4 if not 7 or more. Missed XP Missed FG Dropped pass for INT Every game will have points left on the field but we have done it too much thus far save maybe the Raiders and Eagles games. And really it just comes down to protecting the ball better.
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11-22-2021, 07:16 AM	#5
Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $-2840000	I'm a little worried, the offense went back into stall mode in the second half yesterday. But i have to disagree on the Clyde/DW thing. They look basically the same. Clyde doesnt see holes, DW isnt fast enough to hit the crease if its there. Its a toss up but ill gamble on the upside. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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11-22-2021, 07:23 AM	#6
ThyKingdomCome15 MVP Join Date: Jun 2019 Casino cash: $-619600	Best defense in the league. Offense still loses itself at times.
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11-22-2021, 05:20 AM	#3
Danguardace Veteran Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Shrewsbury England Casino cash: $-864410	I just love the run defense and having faith that teams are not get 5-6 yards without even trying. That in turn has improved the pass rush because we are genuinely seeing 3rd and longs not 3rd and short. Pass protection still an major worry for me, if the defense turns back into a pumpkin Protecting Mahomes is gong to be key.
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11-22-2021, 08:10 AM	#8
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-920000	1. Good time to heal 2. Bad time for BYE since we have been hot 3. Good time to watch the AFC rejuggle before next game __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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11-22-2021, 08:13 AM	#9
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $6952645	Thoughts going into the bye... I trust the defense more than the offense all of a sudden.
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11-22-2021, 08:53 AM	#12
ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1807631	It's hard to feel anything but pretty happy after a 4-game win streak. I will say that I have lost some confidence in our offense. For the last few years, I just became accustomed to great things happening. Pat would load up to throw downfield and I was like "**** yeah!". These days I'm expecting an errant pass or a tipped INT. At the same time, I have gained a lot of confidence in the defense. If we're able to put the pieces together when it matters down the stretch, we can make it back to the Super Bowl. Like, if the offense that played @ Vegas shows up with the defense against the Cowboys last night? Pssh. We will stomp anyone we play. It'll be a slaughterhouse. And looking at the schedule coming out of the bye, it isn't too bad: Broncos Raiders @ Chargers Steelers @ Bengals @ Broncos Aside from going to LA on a short week, all of those games are pretty favorable for us. We've got a great shot at running the table.
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11-22-2021, 09:09 AM	#13
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	There's plenty of blame to be spread around for the losses. Jones playing out of position, Gay being hurt, Clark whoknows what, Andy/PMII not adjusting to Cover 2, all have contributed to our 7-4 record. But the ship appears to be somewhat righted now. There are some things to be cleaned up, like false starts and unsportsman like penalties, dropped passes, and the like. We can't give the all away 22 times and expect to win much in the post season. Sure enough some of those INTs weren't Mahomes's fault, but when you ignore a wide open receiver 10 yards down the field to throw into double coverage 30 yards down, you have to readjust your thinking. Take what the defense gives you, every game doesn't have to be a higlight reel.
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11-22-2021, 09:50 AM	#15
comochiefsfan MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-1209600	Andy, EB, Kafka, Mahomes, Hill, Kelce etc. Need to find a film room and spend several days dissecting how to attack this cover 2 shell. We have 2 weeks to figure it out. We have to find the weakness and consistently start to exploit it. The defense is coming into it's own. What the Raider game showed is that the old offense is still in there. If it emerges consistently then we're going to win the Super Bowl. It's really as simple as that. If this team is clicking it wins the Super Bowl.
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