Chiefs Thoughts going into the bye. - Page 2

Wallcrawler · 11-22-2021, 03:35 AM

7-4. First in the AFC WEST. Easily could have been 9- 2 at this point with self inflicted wounds snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against the Ravens and Chargers.

If before those games you were told youd be down 1 point under a minute left, ball deep in Raven territory 2nd and 3, youd be all over it.

If you were told Patrick Mahomes gets the football 1st and 10 with 2:12 left in the game with LA out of timeouts, tie game, again, youd be all over it.

Instead Clyde fumbles the ball away, and Kelce stops running his route. 2 turnovers, 2 losses on 2 bad possessions.

Weve been outclassed twice getting pounded by the Bills and Titans in contests where we simply were not prepared to play.

Defense has drastically changed , and no, revisionists, it does not now invalidate criticism of Steve Spagnuolo's results early on. He was a ****ing hardheaded moron refusing to believe his shit stunk while thousands in attendance routinely vomited from the stench.

The addition of Melvin Ingram has been huge, effectively forcing Jones back inside where he is best. Bolton and Gay are looking like they could be what we all hoped for. Sneed is a stud in the secondary and for the moment at least, Mathieu's vagina has stopped bleeding.

Offensively, Creed Humphrey is the best center in the league. Rookie rg Trey Smith routinely takes souls. We have arguably the best interior line in football.

That said, Clyde needs to take a back seat to DW. His numbers say hes okay, but the eye test shows he has zero vision. He routinely plows into his line when he could cut or bounce. I havent seen vision this bad since Trent Richardson, also a wasted 1st rd pick.

The Chiefs need to commit to Pringle as the 2 and stop trying to insert Hardman, Robinson, and Gordon. Gordon is washed. Hardman is just overcome by full ignant every time he takes the field. Wrong routes, not aware the ball is coming, drops, fumbles, hyper aggressive ignant when he does make a play seemingly begging for a flag to undo his one thing he did right.

A gadget player and punt returner not trusted to field punts. To think we could have had DK Metcalf.

The Chiefs appear to be on the rise as the rest of the powers in the league are stumbling. We have a week to heal and figure out how to get our receivers to stop dropping passes, and maybe get Clyde Lasik surgery, before we put an assbeating on the visiting donks, led by Teddy Businessdecision.

If the defense that Dork Pres**** faced shows up, Teddy will be riding the pine by halftime.

This team, with this defense, can run the table if we just figure out how to stop dropping passes we get 2 hands on, and teach Clyde to look for the ****ing hole before charging blindly into the asses of his o line.

**ChiTown** · 11-22-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Andy, EB, Kafka, Mahomes, Hill, Kelce etc. Need to find a film room and spend several days dissecting how to attack this cover 2 shell.

We have 2 weeks to figure it out. We have to find the weakness and consistently start to exploit it. The defense is coming into it's own.

What the Raider game showed is that the old offense is still in there. If it emerges consistently then we're going to win the Super Bowl. It's really as simple as that.

If this team is clicking it wins the Super Bowl.

Well, unless they can find a legit #2 WR in the film room, I'm not sure what else they can do.

2 Things need to happen on our O over the next 6 weeks:
1. Our Receivers need to stop dropping balls. Period.

2. We need Niang and Remmers healthy and back as options at RT. Wylie at RT makes my stomach feel weak.

**petegz28** · 11-22-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Well, unless they can find a legit #2 WR in the film room, I'm not sure what else they can do.

2 Things need to happen on our O over the next 6 weeks:
1. Our Receivers need to stop dropping balls. Period.

2. We need Niang and Remmers healthy and back as options at RT. Wylie at RT makes my stomach feel weak.

The dropped balls and fumbles have definitely hurt us. I think we went through a bit of hard pressing trying to force things rather than adjust. The Raiders didn't play a shell defense as much as other teams are so we lit them up.

The entire point of that cover-2 shell type defense is to take away big plays. When you take away big plays it takes longer to score. When it takes longer to score you aren't going to score as much.

In years past we could play threw a 3 and out or two because we could score in 4 or 5 plays and keep lighting shit up.

Now a 3 and out means a lower score. So the defense has to step it up.

arrwheader · 11-22-2021, 10:21 AM

Mahomes has just got to keep hitting the underneath stuff and going to the RB dump offs when they see that Cover 2 look. There were also a few times yesterday that he could have used his legs to get close or to the first down marker but he was looking down field. Love that he keep shis eyes down-field but he has got to mix it up and take what's there. A few of those might have been first downs where we otherwise stalled out.

Raiders game was perfect combo of looking deep but also hitting the underneath stuff as well. Just keep that balance going. I Thought yesterday they went back to waiting on long developing plays and they started turtling again. Then they started hitting the underneath stuff again and were moving the ball.

Hopefully we are seeing Mahomes getting into that good balance form where he is taking what is there but also keeps checking for the deep shot.

MahomesMagic · 11-22-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Andy, EB, Kafka, Mahomes, Hill, Kelce etc. Need to find a film room and spend several days dissecting how to attack this cover 2 shell.

We have 2 weeks to figure it out. We have to find the weakness and consistently start to exploit it. The defense is coming into it's own.

What the Raider game showed is that the old offense is still in there. If it emerges consistently then we're going to win the Super Bowl. It's really as simple as that.

If this team is clicking it wins the Super Bowl.

They have.

Right now they have about a half game worth of such plays.

Against the Raiders, Vegas altered to 3 high in the 2nd and that allowed us to get our RPO game going.

philfree · 11-22-2021, 10:24 AM

Think I'll eat some turkey, dressing, sweet potatoes and some chicken & dumplings while I watch the AFC teams beat each other up as the Chiefs rest. Andy and crew will pour through the video and devise a game plan built around what we do best. After the bye our offense will take off and with the improved D we will roll.

MahomesMagic · 11-22-2021, 10:29 AM

The fact is the problems with the offense will remain as long as we continue to act like a spread team with too many weapons to cover.

We have 1 great WR and 1 great TE.

Our OL is built to knock people out.

So we start games now with Cover 2 breakers that might be ugly but work. We run power football.

Then we normally try to go back to our normal offense and.
..you saw the results vs Dallas.

Just enough tricks to run out the clock.

Why Not? · 11-22-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

1. Good time to heal
2. Bad time for BYE since we have been hot
3. Good time to watch the AFC rejuggle before next game

1. Yes

2. Not for an Andy Reid coached team. They come out of the bye on fire more often than not.

3. Yes

oldman · 11-22-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader

Mahomes has just got to keep hitting the underneath stuff and going to the RB dump offs when they see that Cover 2 look. There were also a few times yesterday that he could have used his legs to get close or to the first down marker but he was looking down field. Love that he keep shis eyes down-field but he has got to mix it up and take what's there. A few of those might have been first downs where we otherwise stalled out.

Raiders game was perfect combo of looking deep but also hitting the underneath stuff as well. Just keep that balance going. I Thought yesterday they went back to waiting on long developing plays and they started turtling again. Then they started hitting the underneath stuff again and were moving the ball.

Hopefully we are seeing Mahomes getting into that good balance form where he is taking what is there but also keeps checking for the deep shot.

It's not rocket science to break the Cover 2, just run the ball, throw underneath and see how long the D stays in it. It's not a highlight reel or a high scoring game, but a win is a win and it's all about winning.

What we seem to forget is that Mahomes is young and played his college days basically running for his life. That translated into success during his 1st 3 years as a starter. Defenses have adjusted to that so now he has to change his game. Even legendary gunslingers like Favre, Marino, and Namath took the dump-off when it moved the chains.

Gary Cooper · 11-22-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

I actually like the timing.

We just finished a very difficult 3-game stretch. We have some guys that are dinged up, which gives them another week to heal up (we may have Niang and or Remmers back at RT for the Denver game, which would be big).

This off week gives us some time to charge the batteries and be ready to finish strong in the last 6 weeks of the regular season.

I agree. Every team needs a bye. This is the latest I can remember them having one. They're about 2/3 through the regular season. I suppose a bye when they were 3-4 would have been ideal at the time, but it worked out in their favor with the Rodgers/Ruggs off-field issues.

Knock on wood, but the Chiefs are the healthiest team in the league. Not many guys need the bye to come back from injury. That said, everyone is banged up after 11 games of full contact. And I need a stress free football weekend. Thanksgiving weekend is the perfect time for that.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-22-2021, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

That said, Clyde needs to take a back seat to DW. His numbers say hes okay, but the eye test shows he has zero vision. He routinely plows into his line when he could cut or bounce. I havent seen vision this bad since Trent Richardson, also a wasted 1st rd pick.

Congrats on your "Andy Reid is a horrible football coach" take for the day.

ChiefRocka · 11-22-2021, 03:40 PM

“Well……Bye…….Felicia”

MahomesMagic · 11-22-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

It's not rocket science to break the Cover 2, just run the ball, throw underneath and see how long the D stays in it. It's not a highlight reel or a high scoring game, but a win is a win and it's all about winning.

What we seem to forget is that Mahomes is young and played his college days basically running for his life. That translated into success during his 1st 3 years as a starter. Defenses have adjusted to that so now he has to change his game. Even legendary gunslingers like Favre, Marino, and Namath took the dump-off when it moved the chains.

If a team is playing 2 deep safeties, we could line up in our normal spread offense and have Mahomes just throw a quick out to the RB in the flat with no delay and its 7-8 yards.

Those plays are there but we need to learn to keep taking them.

Against Raiders, Vegas D altered in the 2nd half. Think of the Chiefs as a boxer with a deadly right hook. So Raiders kept close to us, and let us jab them in the face for a half. Then they made the mistake of getting frustrated with all the jabs to the face and backed up...then we unloaded on them.

Dallas never altered and it still frustrates us when teams don't let us throw our favorite punch.

Wallcrawler · 11-22-2021, 11:13 PM

Kelce, Hill, and Hardman needs to hit up Tony Gonzalez and have a week of catch practice on the football launchers.

100 catches, consecutive. Drop one, you're back to 1.

Kelce's gaffe for the INT was his 7th drop of the season. Not sure what's going on with him but if he gets his consistent, reliable hands back, it will make a world of difference.

The drops this year have been absolutely ridiculous across the board.

Something like 6 of Patrick Mahomes' interceptions this year have hit receivers first. It's insane.

Wallcrawler · 11-22-2021, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Congrats on your "Andy Reid is a horrible football coach" take for the day.

Congrats on a pointless, inane response. Keep posting. One day, through sheer volume alone, you may get something semi intelligent and partially coherent out there.

In the meantime though, less people will notice your lobotomy if you wear a wig to hide the scars.

FloridaMan88 · 11-22-2021, 11:28 PM

The short/quick passing game is the circuit breaker option whenever the offense stagnates.

11-22-2021, 03:35 AM
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $2062912	Thoughts going into the bye. 7-4. First in the AFC WEST. Easily could have been 9- 2 at this point with self inflicted wounds snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against the Ravens and Chargers. If before those games you were told youd be down 1 point under a minute left, ball deep in Raven territory 2nd and 3, youd be all over it. If you were told Patrick Mahomes gets the football 1st and 10 with 2:12 left in the game with LA out of timeouts, tie game, again, youd be all over it. Instead Clyde fumbles the ball away, and Kelce stops running his route. 2 turnovers, 2 losses on 2 bad possessions. Weve been outclassed twice getting pounded by the Bills and Titans in contests where we simply were not prepared to play. Defense has drastically changed , and no, revisionists, it does not now invalidate criticism of Steve Spagnuolo's results early on. He was a **ing hardheaded moron refusing to believe his shit stunk while thousands in attendance routinely vomited from the stench. The addition of Melvin Ingram has been huge, effectively forcing Jones back inside where he is best. Bolton and Gay are looking like they could be what we all hoped for. Sneed is a stud in the secondary and for the moment at least, Mathieu's vagina has stopped bleeding. Offensively, Creed Humphrey is the best center in the league. Rookie rg Trey Smith routinely takes souls. We have arguably the best interior line in football. That said, Clyde needs to take a back seat to DW. His numbers say hes okay, but the eye test shows he has zero vision. He routinely plows into his line when he could cut or bounce. I havent seen vision this bad since Trent Richardson, also a wasted 1st rd pick. The Chiefs need to commit to Pringle as the 2 and stop trying to insert Hardman, Robinson, and Gordon. Gordon is washed. Hardman is just overcome by full ignant every time he takes the field. Wrong routes, not aware the ball is coming, drops, fumbles, hyper aggressive ignant when he does make a play seemingly begging for a flag to undo his one thing he did right. A gadget player and punt returner not trusted to field punts. To think we could have had DK Metcalf. The Chiefs appear to be on the rise as the rest of the powers in the league are stumbling. We have a week to heal and figure out how to get our receivers to stop dropping passes, and maybe get Clyde Lasik surgery, before we put an assbeating on the visiting donks, led by Teddy Businessdecision. If the defense that Dork Pres faced shows up, Teddy will be riding the pine by halftime. This team, with this defense, can run the table if we just figure out how to stop dropping passes we get 2 hands on, and teach Clyde to look for the **ing hole before charging blindly into the asses of his o line.
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11-22-2021, 10:21 AM	#18
arrwheader Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $46613	Mahomes has just got to keep hitting the underneath stuff and going to the RB dump offs when they see that Cover 2 look. There were also a few times yesterday that he could have used his legs to get close or to the first down marker but he was looking down field. Love that he keep shis eyes down-field but he has got to mix it up and take what's there. A few of those might have been first downs where we otherwise stalled out. Raiders game was perfect combo of looking deep but also hitting the underneath stuff as well. Just keep that balance going. I Thought yesterday they went back to waiting on long developing plays and they started turtling again. Then they started hitting the underneath stuff again and were moving the ball. Hopefully we are seeing Mahomes getting into that good balance form where he is taking what is there but also keeps checking for the deep shot.
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11-22-2021, 10:24 AM	#20
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2193802	Think I'll eat some turkey, dressing, sweet potatoes and some chicken & dumplings while I watch the AFC teams beat each other up as the Chiefs rest. Andy and crew will pour through the video and devise a game plan built around what we do best. After the bye our offense will take off and with the improved D we will roll. __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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11-22-2021, 10:29 AM	#21
MahomesMagic Generational Player Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu Casino cash: $350400	The fact is the problems with the offense will remain as long as we continue to act like a spread team with too many weapons to cover. We have 1 great WR and 1 great TE. Our OL is built to knock people out. So we start games now with Cover 2 breakers that might be ugly but work. We run power football. Then we normally try to go back to our normal offense and. ..you saw the results vs Dallas. Just enough tricks to run out the clock.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-727094	The short/quick passing game is the circuit breaker option whenever the offense stagnates.
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