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Deberg_1990 · 12-17-2021, 07:27 AM

Says he’s sticking with his 4th down approach……..good for him.

Chargers coach Brandon Staley isn't changing his ways: He says he will continue to go for it on fourth down, even after three out of Los Angeles' five attempts Thursday night failed in a 34-28 overtime defeat to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"I felt really comfortable with all those decisions," Staley said after the loss, which dropped the Chargers two games behind the Chiefs in the AFC West standings with three to play. "That's the way we're going to play around here. That's the way we're going to play. When we have a quarterback like ours, and we have an offense like ours, that's the way we're going to play because that's how you need to play against Kansas City, for sure. That's how we're going to become the team that we're ultimately capable of being, by playing that way."

The Chargers entered the game 13 for 21 on fourth downs this season, giving them the fourth-most conversions in the league. Their conversion percentage (61.9) was tied for eighth best in the NFL.

Two of Los Angeles' failed attempts to convert came inside the Kansas City 5, and another was on the edge of field goal range. The Chargers became the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal in a first half since the 1984 Chargers did the same -- also against the Chiefs -- 37 years ago to the day (Dec. 16, 1984).

Quarterback Justin Herbert said he stands by his coach and his decisions on fourth down.

"It's always tough and you'd love to be able to convert those," Herbert said. "I think we need to be better on third downs so that we're not in those situations, but we believe in each other. We believe in the guys in that locker room and that huddle, and we believe in the defense. I think that's a statement of trusting everyone on the field and off the field, as well. We love to be put in those situations. Unfortunately, we didn't convert as many as we would've liked to have today, but we're going to ride with each other and we're going to be right back."

With Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill on the other sideline, Staley and his coaching staff realized no lead would be safe until the clock ran out. That's why they never stopped trying to score in all situations: Only the very last of the Chargers' 10 drives ended in a punt.

"It's life in the NFL, in decision-making like that. ... I know that the quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns, not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side," Staley said. "When you don't feel like it's a gamble, when you feel like this is an advantage for you, then that's going to be our mindset. And I don't think that any decision that we made tonight, that I made tonight, was a gamble. We felt like it was an advantage situation for us, and that's why we did it.''

Herbert and his teammates came agonizingly close to proving Staley correct.

Donald Parham seriously injured himself while coming down just out of bounds with a catch in the back of the end zone on the Chargers' failed fourth down from the Kansas City 5 on the game's opening drive.

Four drives later on the final snap of the first half, Herbert was in the shotgun on fourth down from the Kansas City 1 -- but Daniel Sorensen got his hand on a quick out to Keenan Allen, wiping out a potential TD pass and leaving the Chargers' halftime lead at only 14-10 despite 208 yards of offense on five solid drives.

The Chargers' only drive of the third quarter ended at the Kansas City 28 when Herbert and Jared Cook couldn't connect on a fourth-and-2 pass. Cook also dropped a probable touchdown pass on second down during that final drive before halftime.

After Thursday's game, the Chargers have now gone for it on fourth down 29.9% of the time this season. That's the highest rate for any team since the 2007 Jacksonville Jaguars (30.0%).

"We felt like it was an advantage situation for us," Staley explained. "That's why we did it. If we didn't feel like that was the case, then we would have kicked a field goal or we would have punted. That's the way that we're going to do things around here. I know that our team embraces that mindset. We're going to continue to do it every game we play moving forward."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...way-going-play

"The quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side."

Chargers coach Brandon Staley on being aggressive on 4th down against the Chiefs. pic.twitter.com/4mskizFo2J
— CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) December 17, 2021

scho63 · 12-24-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The only one I didn't agree with was going for it from 5 yards out.

I was hoping they were going to pooch punt. Nobody would be expecting that!

RunKC · 12-24-2021, 10:04 AM

He’s a new young coach but his defensive knowledge is really good.

The Chargers are by far the biggest threat to us. They have consistently given us a tough out in every game since they’ve had Herbert.

I’m not really fearful of any team but if there was one team I wouldn’t want to face next month it’s the Chargers.

Chiefaholic · 12-24-2021, 10:54 AM

As a Chief fan, I appreciate Brandon taking points off the board with chip shot field goals. Had he taken the almost guaranteed points, we wouldn't be in first place in the conference. And winning the division wouldn't be a favorable as well.

As long as he continues to be the village idiot of the AFC West, I'm his biggest fan....

Edit.... Sorry if the Facebook Fact Checking crowd was offended. No need for YOU to "edit" my words. And to save you the hassel, I'll just remove myself to allow the "woke" folks the opportunity to think for others.

Chiefspants · 12-24-2021, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

He’s a new young coach but his defensive knowledge is really good.

The Chargers are by far the biggest threat to us. They have consistently given us a tough out in every game since they’ve had Herbert.

I’m not really fearful of any team but if there was one team I wouldn’t want to face next month it’s the Chargers.

I think they’ll be a pain in the ass and are proving to be a tough out, but with Mahomes and the current team I don’t think there’s any team I’ll regard with the dread I did Elway or Manning’s Broncos whenever they appeared on the schedule.

htismaqe · 12-24-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

The models absolutely take into account game situations.

Sure, they take into account tangible things like time left, down, and distance.

What the analytics can't capture is intangibles like momentum, fatigue, and player morale.

They're valuable for sure but kind of like playing a musical instrument, no amount of technique can make up for a lack of feel.

Sorce · 12-24-2021, 11:02 AM

He took one point off the board. You can't give him the touchdowns from successful conversions, then magically predict he kick field goals. He got 14 pts off of successful conversions, if he took and made field goals he would have 15. His strategy wasn't bad, they just didn't execute.

**DaFace** · 12-24-2021, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sure, they take into account tangible things like time left, down, and distance.

What the analytics can't capture is intangibles like momentum, fatigue, and player morale.

They're valuable for sure but kind of like playing a musical instrument, no amount of technique can make up for a lack of feel.

Sure. My point was just that time and score are central to the models, which he suggested weren't part of the equation.

Wallcrawler · 12-24-2021, 11:10 AM

All or nothing is a bad way to coach football games.

Like there's no way you can justify that kind of dumb shit especially on your first drive, or with so much game left to play.

Staley and Harbaugh are two of these all or nothing dudes.

Staley wasted the effort given on a massive kickoff return to start the game, which was immediately 3 free points. He just thumbed his nose at the kicker and gave the football away.

That's worse than something like a fumble or interception negating that great play. When you choose to say, I'm good with nothing if this play doesn't work, that's so much worse than just a regular turnover. You CHOSE to not get points.

Same with Ravens opening drive. Great drive. Drove the entire field, ate up half the first quarter, and chose to be good with the possibility of getting nothing. You just can't have that after that effort.

That's just dumbass football right there. As long as who has the most points determines who wins games, choosing not to take points when they're practically a guarantee, will always be the wrong move.

Your d gets a turnover off Mahomes, and instead of cashing in for 3 for your d, you roll the dice and lose. What a slap across the face to the d.

If you're looking at a punt or go for it, hey knock yourself out if you trust your defense. But to simply refuse to put points on the board, that's going to always be tough to explain both to ownership, and some of your players.

Especially if you lose a close contest.

**Bearcat** · 12-24-2021, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sure, they take into account tangible things like time left, down, and distance.

What the analytics can't capture is intangibles like momentum, fatigue, and player morale.

They're valuable for sure but kind of like playing a musical instrument, no amount of technique can make up for a lack of feel.

That's why I think the 4th down at the end of the half was the worst of the calls by far (and Kollmann ended up saying the same).... by then, you're reading the situation that the Chiefs offense hasn't been great, you've already failed on 4th down a couple times and can go up by 7 to end the half.

Reroka · 12-24-2021, 11:12 AM

Hey, it's his team and he runs it the way he wants. He gambled and it did not pay off. The next time it might. If he would have kicked field goals He would have won that game.

MarkDavis'Haircut · 12-24-2021, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sure, they take into account tangible things like time left, down, and distance.

What the analytics can't capture is intangibles like momentum, fatigue, and player morale.

They're valuable for sure but kind of like playing a musical instrument, no amount of technique can make up for a lack of feel.

That is my take on it. I am big into analytics but the analytics guys are starting to commit the same sins that they accuse the old fashioned coaches of doing. Aka all or nothing.

The best system is accounting for analytics and gut instinct.

Chris Meck · 12-24-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sure, they take into account tangible things like time left, down, and distance.

What the analytics can't capture is intangibles like momentum, fatigue, and player morale.

They're valuable for sure but kind of like playing a musical instrument, no amount of technique can make up for a lack of feel.

well, that's just a perfectly apt simile. Bravo!

BigCatDaddy · 12-24-2021, 12:42 PM

I can't imagine any analytic says go for it on 4th and goal from the 5.

Coochie liquor · 12-24-2021, 08:00 PM

Staley is the Deberg of coaches!!

Jewish Rabbi · 12-24-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

We should cheer him on. Let's go Brandon!

Reported, btw.

12-17-2021, 07:27 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $164454	Your assessment of Brandon Staley Says he’s sticking with his 4th down approach……..good for him. Chargers coach Brandon Staley isn't changing his ways: He says he will continue to go for it on fourth down, even after three out of Los Angeles' five attempts Thursday night failed in a 34-28 overtime defeat to the Kansas City Chiefs. "I felt really comfortable with all those decisions," Staley said after the loss, which dropped the Chargers two games behind the Chiefs in the AFC West standings with three to play. "That's the way we're going to play around here. That's the way we're going to play. When we have a quarterback like ours, and we have an offense like ours, that's the way we're going to play because that's how you need to play against Kansas City, for sure. That's how we're going to become the team that we're ultimately capable of being, by playing that way." The Chargers entered the game 13 for 21 on fourth downs this season, giving them the fourth-most conversions in the league. Their conversion percentage (61.9) was tied for eighth best in the NFL. Two of Los Angeles' failed attempts to convert came inside the Kansas City 5, and another was on the edge of field goal range. The Chargers became the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal in a first half since the 1984 Chargers did the same -- also against the Chiefs -- 37 years ago to the day (Dec. 16, 1984). Quarterback Justin Herbert said he stands by his coach and his decisions on fourth down. "It's always tough and you'd love to be able to convert those," Herbert said. "I think we need to be better on third downs so that we're not in those situations, but we believe in each other. We believe in the guys in that locker room and that huddle, and we believe in the defense. I think that's a statement of trusting everyone on the field and off the field, as well. We love to be put in those situations. Unfortunately, we didn't convert as many as we would've liked to have today, but we're going to ride with each other and we're going to be right back." With Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill on the other sideline, Staley and his coaching staff realized no lead would be safe until the clock ran out. That's why they never stopped trying to score in all situations: Only the very last of the Chargers' 10 drives ended in a punt. "It's life in the NFL, in decision-making like that. ... I know that the quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns, not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side," Staley said. "When you don't feel like it's a gamble, when you feel like this is an advantage for you, then that's going to be our mindset. And I don't think that any decision that we made tonight, that I made tonight, was a gamble. We felt like it was an advantage situation for us, and that's why we did it.'' Herbert and his teammates came agonizingly close to proving Staley correct. Donald Parham seriously injured himself while coming down just out of bounds with a catch in the back of the end zone on the Chargers' failed fourth down from the Kansas City 5 on the game's opening drive. Four drives later on the final snap of the first half, Herbert was in the shotgun on fourth down from the Kansas City 1 -- but Daniel Sorensen got his hand on a quick out to Keenan Allen, wiping out a potential TD pass and leaving the Chargers' halftime lead at only 14-10 despite 208 yards of offense on five solid drives. The Chargers' only drive of the third quarter ended at the Kansas City 28 when Herbert and Jared Cook couldn't connect on a fourth-and-2 pass. Cook also dropped a probable touchdown pass on second down during that final drive before halftime. After Thursday's game, the Chargers have now gone for it on fourth down 29.9% of the time this season. That's the highest rate for any team since the 2007 Jacksonville Jaguars (30.0%). "We felt like it was an advantage situation for us," Staley explained. "That's why we did it. If we didn't feel like that was the case, then we would have kicked a field goal or we would have punted. That's the way that we're going to do things around here. I know that our team embraces that mindset. We're going to continue to do it every game we play moving forward." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...way-going-play "The quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side." Chargers coach Brandon Staley on being aggressive on 4th down against the Chiefs. pic.twitter.com/4mskizFo2J — CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) December 17, 2021
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Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $500277	As a Chief fan, I appreciate Brandon taking points off the board with chip shot field goals. Had he taken the almost guaranteed points, we wouldn't be in first place in the conference. And winning the division wouldn't be a favorable as well. As long as he continues to be the village idiot of the AFC West, I'm his biggest fan.... Edit.... Sorry if the Facebook Fact Checking crowd was offended. No need for YOU to "edit" my words. And to save you the hassel, I'll just remove myself to allow the "woke" folks the opportunity to think for others. __________________ Last edited by DaFace; 12-24-2021 at 02:16 PM.. Reason: stop
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