This is how the NFL rigs games

[rabblerouser]

The refs really showed out for the Bungles today.

**** the NFL.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by kevrunner

Hopefully there will be support for teams to have the ability to challenge more calls, especially horse collar penalties, half the time it’s is obviously wrong, face masking, the same, needs to be able to be challenged. Pass interference is a little more difficult since it’s a judgment call, but bring it back.

Horse collar should be reviewable. Ignorant that it isn't since it is a well defined foul that is not judgment based at all. They should not even require a challenge from coach as it is about safety of the players.

Facemask should be a well but they need to be able to diffentiate between a legit facemask vs just grazing or incidental.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Horse collar should be reviewable. Ignorant that it isn't since it is a well defined foul that is not judgment based at all. They should not even require a challenge from coach as it is about safety of the players.

Facemask should be a well but they need to be able to diffentiate between a legit facemask vs just grazing or incidental.

Jesus man we would have 6 hour games if they made everything reviewable

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by penguinz

How many here have ever been a referee for any high level sport?

When you get players like Fenton calling you out like he was after his PI calls it is very easy to get tunnel vision looking for more from that same player and the rest of the players on that team.

Blame the refs all you want but looking at the big picture they are not the reason for the loss.

Two 60yd plus TDs that Chase could have walked into the end zone, the catch on the 3&27 and the Chiefs offense staying in the locker room the entire second half were the reason for the loss.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not sure how the Refs get excused because we didn't play a perfect game and win despite them. Seems like you're looking for a way to excuse their part of the shit show. I'm NOT saying I don't agree with the parts you pointed out where our team ****ed up, but I'm not sure that's a reason to absolve the officials for calling a shitty game (too).

As for Fenton "calling him out", if that's such a terrible thing, why didn't it ****-over Brady and Manning all these years? It seems like even there it seems like certain players can get into official's faces and get them to look for things that they're whining about, but only a select few. That seems wrong too. All players should have equal access to air their grievances with the Zebras, not just a select few.

And if it was really a tough job, as tough as I think you're implying, wouldn't they reserve it to fulltime staff? Laugh at that all you want, but that's because you don't have a really good explanation for why the exceedingly rich sport can't make the people who officiate their product fulltime staff members.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Jesus man we would have 6 hour games if they made everything reviewable

How mamy horse collar tackles do you see pee game that would cause games to last 6 hours?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Two games this year the Chiefs have lost because we took the ball out of Patrick Mahomes' hands in crunch time.

Completely inexcusable.

3 if you include CEH's Ravens fumble

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not sure how the Refs get excused because we didn't play a perfect game and win despite them. Seems like you're looking for a way to excuse their part of the shit show. I'm NOT saying I don't agree with the parts you pointed out where our team ****ed up, but I'm not sure that's a reason to absolve the officials for calling a shitty game (too).

As for Fenton "calling him out", if that's such a terrible thing, why didn't it ****-over Brady and Manning all these years? It seems like even there it seems like certain players can get into official's faces and get them to look for things that they're whining about, but only a select few. That seems wrong too. All players should have equal access to air their grievances with the Zebras, not just a select few.

And if it was really a tough job, as tough as I think you're implying, wouldn't they reserve it to fulltime staff? Laugh at that all you want, but that's because you don't have a really good explanation for why the exceedingly rich sport can't make the people who officiate their product fulltime staff members.

Not giving the refs a pass. Just was giving insight into how a red can subconsciously get into a flow of calling things over and over against the same team.

NFL is one of the most profitable companies in the world. Not having FT referees is beyond stupid.

I have no idea how the NFL handles referee evaluations but if they don't do full debriefs after every game they need to start.

In pro soccer, even the lower levels like the USl the refs get reviewed after virtually every game.

Referees will even be sent home and no longer assigned games for a period of time.

No reason for the NFL to not do the same sort of thing.

NFL could gain back a lot of trust from fans if they did this.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Not giving the refs a pass. Just was giving insight into how a red can subconsciously get into a flow of calling things over and over against the same team.

NFL is one of the most profitable companies in the world. Not having FT referees is beyond stupid.

I have no idea how the NFL handles referee evaluations but if they don't do full debriefs after every game they need to start.

In pro soccer, even the lower levels like the USl the refs get reviewed after virtually every game.

Referees will even be sent home and no longer assigned games for a period of time.

No reason for the NFL to not do the same sort of thing.

NFL could gain back a lot of trust from fans if they did this.

Quality post. Rep applied.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

This is very clearly the case, and I really just don't understand it.

You have the face of the league on this team and a Hall of Fame head coach. Not to mention numerous playmakers on both sides of the ball, several of whom are potential Hall of Famers themselves. An amazing home crowd that always rocks it in front of the TV cameras, and a great tradition dating back 50+ years.

Yet it seems the league can't wait to push us out of the limelight and has their cronies in the media working on the same goal. I simply cannot comprehend it. It's so frustrating.

Truth, but I really don't mind if it turns into the "Us against the world" mentality. Would probably mean more games like yesterday, and THAT would suck.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Quality post. Rep applied.

Appreciate it. Rep returned.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

3 if you include CEH's Ravens fumble

That's one of the two I'm referring to.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Jesus man we would have 6 hour games if they made everything reviewable

I'm not sure that I agree with this statement; with the advanced analytics and 240 frame per second video of plays from multiple angles, I would think that they could have a few crews of people watching plays to prevent bad calls from happening. Even using computer modeling is possible. They could have an answer in their earpieces before the call is made.

They use the frame by frame analysis to determine if the ball moves a sixteenth of an inch before the runner is down so why don't they do this sort of thing on other key plays? Everyone makes errors, why not use the technology available to make it better for all?

Judgement calls allow implicit bias to influence the outcome of games.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by TEX

Truth, but I really don't mind if it turns into the "Us against the world" mentality. Would probably mean more games like yesterday, and THAT would suck.

They low key don't want a "black" QB to be the dominant face of the league.....There I said it......Plus for some reason, they don't want KC to have swagger but it's OK for other teams. They don't want KC to be THE team.....they want us to go back to being the team they can write off every year because of having a game manager QB. Skip and his comments about between the legs and around the back passes......"Brady doesn't do that...blah...balh...blah...." Neither does Pat....asshole I see right through it....They can't wait to annoint someone else.


Get mad.....I don't care.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Not giving the refs a pass. Just was giving insight into how a red can subconsciously get into a flow of calling things over and over against the same team.

NFL is one of the most profitable companies in the world. Not having FT referees is beyond stupid.

I have no idea how the NFL handles referee evaluations but if they don't do full debriefs after every game they need to start.

In pro soccer, even the lower levels like the USl the refs get reviewed after virtually every game.

Referees will even be sent home and no longer assigned games for a period of time.

No reason for the NFL to not do the same sort of thing.

NFL could gain back a lot of trust from fans if they did this.

If fans started writing off the NFL in an organized way (akin to how owners started freaking out to fan reactions of political protests) or give the NFL a "fail mary" type backlash, the NFL is just not going care about trust from fans unless it impacts their bottom line.

[comochiefsfan]

Went back and watched the goal line stand at the end.

FWIW, both penalties were good calls. On the 2nd one, Fenton clearly hit Boyd in the face so hard he had to readjust his helmet mid play.

The one I was more curious about was the first one. If you watch the broadcast, you can see Ward quite literally tackle Chase at the top of the screen. We were actually fortunate that we got a hold on Cincinnati to give us another chance.

If we're going to pile on the refs I think it's fair to point out that there was nothing wrong with those two calls.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Went back and watched the goal line stand at the end.

FWIW, both penalties were good calls. On the 2nd one, Fenton clearly hit Boyd in the face so hard he had to readjust his helmet mid play.

The one I was more curious about was the first one. If you watch the broadcast, you can see Ward quite literally tackle Chase at the top of the screen. We were actually fortunate that we got a hold on Cincinnati to give us another chance.

If we're going to pile on the refs I think it's fair to point out that there was nothing wrong with those two calls.

I would like to see a close up of the Ward penalty. I get the feeling the refs don’t make both of those calls (maybe one, not both) if the game was played at Arrowhead. It’s easier to keep the flag in the pocket if you know the crowd will have your back. Just like it’s easier to throw it if you know the crowd will cheer.