Chiefs Reid is a terrible chess player - Page 3

davewan · 06:30 PM

Andy Reid is apparently incapable of thinking several moves ahead. As an NFL head coach, he should have been able to quickly think through what he would have done if he had the ball at the goal line in a tie game with 2:30 to go and 4 downs to score. He should have been able to easily deduce that he would do exactly what Cincinnati did. But he didn't. And that's absolutely incredible.

Sadly, it's clear that he has no idea that his drop dead core philosophy should be, "If you're going to beat me, it's not going to be because my best player was standing on the sidelines, it's going to be because you stopped him while he was on the field."

Because Reid could not bring himself to do what was necessary - in other words, to let the other team score - to get his best player back on the field with time on the clock to win the game, he permitted Cincinnati to win that game. It was HIS failure and his alone.

It's not a question of not competing on defense if you let the other team score. It's a question of what in that situation is your best chance to win. And the Chiefs' best chance to win wasn't to stop Cincinnati. They were going to score. The question was how much time - if any - would be on the clock with they did. The Chiefs' best chance to win was to get Mahomes back on the field as fast as possible, no matter the cost.

No matter how big a steaming pile of dogsh*t the officials were, no matter how stupid Spagnuolo was in how he failed to stop Chase, no matter the holding call on the kick return touchdown or Tyreke dropping the ball in the first half...everything comes down to Reid's lack of a philosophy that says if he's going to lose, it's not going to be with his best guy standing on the sidelines.

Jet Chip Wasp · 01-03-2022, 06:46 PM

If you think Andy Reid is a "terrible chess player" it would be interesting to hear what you think of other coaches in the NFL like Vic Fangio. Every single coach in the NFL have lost a few games like the one we had yesterday: Hank Stram, Marty, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, etc.

Shall I go on?

Chiefspants · 01-03-2022, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by davewan

In other words, you got nothin'.

Idk dude look at this post I quoted below. This guy already convinced me against your argument with this 5D gem of a post from less than a month ago. Check it out.

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Originally Posted by davewan

Given how Mahomes has played over the last 5 games, how likely is he to engineer a late 4th quarter game winning drive with 2-3 minutes or less on the clock?

Keep in mind that that in each of the last 3 games, the Chiefs have scored early and then gone 51, 44 and 52 minutes without scoring an offensive touchdown.

If the Chiefs don't have a 4th quarter lead in any game remaining, they lose because the offesne simply isn't good enough to overcome itself. And while I've defended Mahomes all season long (not here, this is my first day here), I can't anymore.Not only is he not the best QB in the league; he's not the best in the conference anymore.

If Andy had only listened to this genius he wouldn’t have instructed Patrick to keep throwing against the Chargers and then, thankfully, everyone would have understood why Patrick, a QB no longer even defendable for his bad play, shouldn’t have the ball late in the 4th.

Stupid Andy for trusting Patrick against the Chargers. If we had a 5D chessgenius brain like this as a coach, Patrick would have never even had the chance to orchestrate his division winning drive against the Chargers.

**srvy** · 01-03-2022, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by davewan

Clearly, you'd rather lose with Mahomes standing on the sidelines than give him the chance to go tie or win the game with a couple of minutes left on the game clock.

Absolute insanity.

Had the whole second half and produced 3 points though not all his fault but it is a team sport. So those last couple of minutes you let Cincy score and hope whatever happened most the second half just vanishes in the last minute? Good plan

ClevelandBronco · 01-03-2022, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Chip Wasp

If you think Andy Reid is a "terrible chess player" it would be interesting to hear what you think of other coaches in the NFL like Vic Fangio. Every single coach in the NFL have lost a few games like the one we had yesterday: Hank Stram, Marty, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, etc.

Shall I go on?

Fangio can barely grasp tic tac toe.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 01-03-2022, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by davewan

But the Chiefs WERE in that situation, so then the question becomes what is your best chance to win. And the answer is simple. You get the ball back in the hands of the best player on the field with as much time as you can. The answer isn't to hope your defense keeps Cincinnati from scoring 7 or 3. They were going to score, one way or another.

The goal was to keep it a 3 point game, making it easier for Mahomes to tie and maybe win the game, albeit with less time and no timeouts.

The point is, letting them score increases our chances of winning by like a 1-2%. You're burning Reid at the stake over an incredible negligible decision when we likely already lost. You're crying over nothing.

BWillie · 01-03-2022, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Let's assume you are right about this. And to be fair, you totally make a reasonable case and lots of people here sympathize with this post.

Who cares? What should the Chiefs do? Fire him?

Does periodically managing the clock in less-than-ideal fashion totally invalidate and overwhelm all the other good he does as a (HOF) head coach (that has led us to 3 straight AFCCGs and a SB title)?

No. So this post is about as worthwhile as the one that said Hill needs to catch the ball more with his hands.

Yes, that's great and all. But do you have a better alternative at WR?

No. No. And hell no. So shut the **** up with these dumb threads.

They should hire some analytics dork to make the on field decisions. Hell, all teams should probably do this. I believe the Ravens and John Harbaugh do this - with the exception of going for two in the first half. Teams will eventually even start doing that.

TwistedChief · 01-03-2022, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Chip Wasp

If you think Andy Reid is a "terrible chess player" it would be interesting to hear what you think of other coaches in the NFL like Vic Fangio. Every single coach in the NFL have lost a few games like the one we had yesterday: Hank Stram, Marty, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, etc.

Shall I go on?

davewan - JCW joined this board a full month after you did and CP has collectively decided he's a much better poster and chess player than you.

davewan · 01-03-2022, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

davewan - JCW joined this board a full month after you did and CP has collectively decided he's a much better poster and chess player than you.

Ask me if I give a fuck what you think.

eDave · 01-03-2022, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

davewan - JCW joined this board a full month after you did and CP has collectively decided he's a much better poster and chess player than you.

Is he a JAG or staight up bust?

**Bowser** · 01-03-2022, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

Does that site have an Andy Reid dedicated thread?

TwistedChief · 01-03-2022, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

They should hire some analytics dork to make the on field decisions. Hell, all teams should probably do this. I believe the Ravens and John Harbaugh do this - with the exception of going for two in the first half. Teams will eventually even start doing that.

Even Harbaugh goes against his analytics recommendations. There is no coach that uses analytics as a black box without considering real world circumstances that aren't considered in the model.

BWillie · 01-03-2022, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by davewan

Ask me if I give a **** what you think.

Antifreeze.

Drink it.

Tell us how it goes down and tastes.

Thanks

**DaFace** · 01-03-2022, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davewan

Ask me if I give a fuck what you think.

Ask me what we do to people who bypass our language filters, especially those who are clearly raging douchebags

TwistedChief · 01-03-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by davewan

Ask me if I give a **** what you think.

Awww. Someone replied to you with something thoughtful and you didn't get enduring adulation on an anonymous message board and now you're lashing out.

I kinda like you to be honest.

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davewan Starter Join Date: Nov 2021 Casino cash: $10080400	Reid is a terrible chess player Andy Reid is apparently incapable of thinking several moves ahead. As an NFL head coach, he should have been able to quickly think through what he would have done if he had the ball at the goal line in a tie game with 2:30 to go and 4 downs to score. He should have been able to easily deduce that he would do exactly what Cincinnati did. But he didn't. And that's absolutely incredible. Sadly, it's clear that he has no idea that his drop dead core philosophy should be, "If you're going to beat me, it's not going to be because my best player was standing on the sidelines, it's going to be because you stopped him while he was on the field." Because Reid could not bring himself *to do what was necessary* - in other words, to let the other team score - to get his best player back on the field with time on the clock to win the game, he permitted Cincinnati to win that game. It was HIS failure and his alone. It's not a question of not competing on defense if you let the other team score. It's a question of what in that situation is your best chance to win. And the Chiefs' best chance to win wasn't to stop Cincinnati. They were going to score. The question was how much time - if any - would be on the clock with they did. The Chiefs' best chance to win was to get Mahomes back on the field as fast as possible, no matter the cost. No matter how big a steaming pile of dogsht the officials were, no matter how stupid Spagnuolo was in how he failed to stop Chase, no matter the holding call on the kick return touchdown or Tyreke dropping the ball in the first half...everything comes down to Reid's lack of a philosophy that says if he's going to lose, it's not going to be with his best guy standing on the sidelines. Last edited by davewan; 01-03-2022 at 06:30 PM..*
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