***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[mr. tegu]

It took me like three days to get tested and I didn’t want to wait a week to go somewhere but I finally found an at home test. It came back negative which is disappointing but I can’t help but wonder how accurate it is. I had some pretty minor symptoms that are mostly gone and I would much prefer to just have it. The toddler has some symptoms as well. My wife has a little soar throat and will get tested through work and she really wants it because they will give her two weeks off paid.

It just seems incredibly unlikely for it to not be omnicron given it is everywhere.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

It took me like three days to get tested and I didn’t want to wait a week to go somewhere but I finally found an at home test. It came back negative which is disappointing but I can’t help but wonder how accurate it is. I had some pretty minor symptoms that are mostly gone and I would much prefer to just have it. The toddler has some symptoms as well. My wife has a little soar throat and will get tested through work and she really wants it because they will give her two weeks off paid.

It just seems incredibly unlikely for it to not be omnicron given it is everywhere.

I don't know if it is true or not, but I read somewhere that omicron hits the throat more (which is why more people have sore throats with it than they did Delta) and that the nasal antigen tests aren't good at detecting it in early stages.

I know a lot of people, myself included, who did the quick test or home test nasal swab early when not feeling well and it was negative, only to have a positive antigen or pcr result days later.

[TLO]

I had a negative antigen and negative PCR a month or so a go that I doubted the accuracy of. It felt like a cold, but with much more fatigue. The closest thing I could compare the fatigue to was when I had mono in college.

But there's a lot of viruses out there. Who knows. Had to miss a couple days of work due to the fatigue.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't know if it is true or not, but I read somewhere that omicron hits the throat more (which is why more people have sore throats with it than they did Delta) and that the nasal antigen tests aren't good at detecting it in early stages.

I know a lot of people, myself included, who did the quick test or home test nasal swab early when not feeling well and it was negative, only to have a positive antigen or pcr result days later.

Yeah I might take the second one in a few days. But my symptoms have been so minor it’s hard to say when they really started as I haven’t had anything that would keep me from doing my regular routine.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

At the same time, if Patrick Mahomes died of Covid, he'd be well into the overweight range of their metric and dangerously close to obese according to the metric they use to say how many people are overweight/obese who die from Covid.

He'd need to lose 30-80 pounds to be "healthy".

Obviously, unhealthy people tend to be unhealthy and Patrick Mahomes isn't dying from Covid, but the metric in itself is just as useless as the whole "came in with a gunshot wound, died of Covid" thing that goes around.

Those metrics seem to assume no one ever lifts weights, or even has a stocky build.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Those metrics seem to assume no one ever lifts weights, or even has a stocky build.

Exactly why BMI is worthless.

[O.city]

My antigen tests were positive as **** as soon as I had symptoms.

[htismaqe]

My daughter tested positive on Monday but had no symptoms.

I have symptoms now but I haven't been tested and I really don't intend to get tested at this point because my symptoms started yesterday and I'm already feeling 80% better.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

My daughter tested positive on Monday but had no symptoms.

I have symptoms now but I haven't been tested and I really don't intend to get tested at this point because my symptoms started yesterday and I'm already feeling 80% better.

Good luck my man. Hope you get better quick.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Those metrics seem to assume no one ever lifts weights, or even has a stocky build.

Yeah, I'm 6'3", ~210-215 with what's said to be a healthy 50% waist circumference/height ratio.... I work out, but not religiously or anything and have a hard time putting on muscle, and I'm apparently still 15-60 pounds from target. And I wouldn't call myself stocky at all. I haven't been 160 since high school and was a pipe cleaner back then.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

My daughter tested positive on Monday but had no symptoms.

I have symptoms now but I haven't been tested and I really don't intend to get tested at this point because my symptoms started yesterday and I'm already feeling 80% better.

Good luck! Both my kids have it but so far the wife and I have kept it away.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, I'm 6'3", ~210-215 with what's said to be a healthy 50% waist circumference/height ratio.... I work out, but not religiously or anything and have a hard time putting on muscle, and I'm apparently still 15-60 pounds from target. And I wouldn't call myself stocky at all. I haven't been 160 since high school and was a pipe cleaner back then.

I think the charts are also based on a time when kids ate less protein, or growth hormone in fast food, or something. 6'3 148 is just lol.

I'm 6'1 250, definitely overweight. But I've had a dunk tank say my lean body mass is 191. I could have 0% body fat (and be dead) and the charts would still say I'm unhealthily fat.

[eDave]

Nice spike in AZ:

Cases by day:

[displacedinMN]

some school districts here are closing. For a week, then TBD.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I think the charts are also based on a time when kids ate less protein, or growth hormone in fast food, or something. 6'3 148 is just lol.

I'm 6'1 250, definitely overweight. But I've had a dunk tank say my lean body mass is 191. I could have 0% body fat (and be dead) and the charts would still say I'm unhealthily fat.

after 1 year of p90x/insanity I got down to 205 6'0" and people said looked too skinny but would still chart as overweight , even the girl who brought me 38" skinny slim fit jeans to try on was surprised when I could not get then passed my knees, hockey player thighs/hips/ass . My son who is 6'1" about 170lbs needs to wear size 36 pants even though he probably has 30-32" waist just to get passed the thighs