Is it time for Mike Tomlin to step aside?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

All you can do is beat the teams on your schedule, but look at who the Steelers beat in this stretch:



Colts: 24-17

Falcons: 19-16

Panthers: 24-16

Raiders: 13-10

Ravens (sans Jackson): 16-13



This is what a rah rah coach can get you - your team will go out there and play hard, ugly things up and beat bad football teams.



But he still has significant tactical deficiencies. I think he's a solid coach who needs better coordinators but by no means a great one.



He had a decade with a roster full of HoF talents and a HoF quarterback in his prime and got next to nothing out of them despite the division being soft pretty much the entire time.



He's a high floor coach with an extremely low ceiling. In many ways, he's what Staley is likely to develop into. But if I'm looking for a HC to win me a SB rather than just sneak me into the playoffs, I think Staley's more likely to develop into that sort of guy than Tomlinson over the coming decade.

They had to deal with the Patriots though. They could never get over that Pats/Brady hump and it's tough to hold that against them.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

They had to deal with the Patriots though. They could never get over that Pats/Brady hump and it's tough to hold that against them.

But did the Patriots have more talent than the Steelers most of those years? I would say they didn't.

BB just outcoached him.

Which doesn't make Tomlin a bad coach - Belichick outcoached a lot of guys. But it's part of his resume nonetheless.

I think he's a fine coach, just not a great one.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But did the Patriots have more talent than the Steelers most of those years? I would say they didn't.

BB just outcoached him.

Which doesn't make Tomlin a bad coach - Belichick outcoached a lot of guys. But it's part of his resume nonetheless.

I think he's a fine coach, just not a great one.

Honestly the only one I think that he doesn’t consistently out coach is Reid.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This guy is one hell of a coach. It’s crazy that he has this team in a position to be in the playoffs again. No TJ Watt for most of the season, rookie QB, bad OL, lost Juju and sold off Claypool.

The man did this with Trubisky and Pickett at QB all year.

He’s a damn good coach

Exactly. He's always been good, but this year has been outstanding.

[scho63]

Not gonna disagree.

He turned this ship around and shocked me.

[scho63]

If Tomlin went to the Chargers their D would be scary as ****.

Not sure what QB coach or offensive coordinator they would bring in.

With Pittsburgh overperforming this year, his chances of leaving are about 5%.

If they went say 6-11 or 7-10, which I expected it would have been much higher.

Great responses in this thread.

[scho63]

Also, if the Cowboys get bounced in their first game, I think Sean Payton, Tomlin or another big name could be hired and they fire McCarthy.

[jettio]

Bengals with Marvin Lewis won the AFC North 4 times and made playoffs as wild card 3 other times.

Bengals did not win any playoff games, but with Harbaugh's Ravens winning AFC North 4 times and making playoffs as wildcard 5 times and having 11 total postseason wins. the AFC North may have been the least "soft" division of any of the AFC divisions since Tomlin has been head coach.

Tomlin has 7 AFC North titles and 3 wildcard teams and 8 postseason wins.

Bengals, Steelers and Ravens have all put dominant ass-whuppins on Chiefs since league went to 4 divisions.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jettio

Bengals with Marvin Lewis won the AFC North 4 times and made playoffs as wild card 3 other times.

Bengals did not win any playoff games, but with Harbaugh's Ravens winning AFC North 4 times and making playoffs as wildcard 5 times and having 11 total postseason wins. the AFC North may have been the least "soft" division of any of the AFC divisions since Tomlin has been head coach.

Tomlin has 7 AFC North titles and 3 wildcard teams and 8 postseason wins.

Bengals, Steelers and Ravens have all put dominant ass-whuppins on Chiefs since league went to 4 divisions.

Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton winning the North 4 times kinda makes my point for me. Or losing the division to an offense built around Joe Flacco, a 30 yr old Anquan Boldin and a 36 year old Derrick Mason.

That's a division the Steelers, with Ben, Brown, Bell, Polumalu, Harrison, Heyward, Pouncey should've run. And since 2011 they have all of 3 playoff wins despite prime years from those guys in there.

I look at Reid absolutely OWNING his division for the last decade and see a 'great' coach. I see you making an argument that Tomlin couldn't do so and thus that demonstrates his greatness. That doesn't make sense to me.

Those were not great teams in the AFCN - and yet Tomlin couldn't consistently stand apart from them.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton winning the North 4 times kinda makes my point for me. Or losing the division to an offense built around Joe Flacco, a 30 yr old Anquan Boldin and a 36 year old Derrick Mason.

That's a division the Steelers, with Ben, Brown, Bell, Polumalu, Harrison, Heyward, Pouncey should've run. And since 2011 they have all of 3 playoff wins despite prime years from those guys in there.

I look at Reid absolutely OWNING his division for the last decade and see a 'great' coach. I see you making an argument that Tomlin couldn't do so and thus that demonstrates his greatness. That doesn't make sense to me.

Those were not great teams in the AFCN - and yet Tomlin couldn't consistently stand apart from them.

So rank the AFC divisions since 2002 and going to 4 divisions per conference from softest to hardest.

Seems to me that AFC North had more years with 3 above average teams in same year than any other AFC division since 2002.

AFC North has the most wildcard playoff teams of all 8 divisions since 2002.

I don't believe I made any comment about how Tomlin compares to any other coach, not sure why you are imagining some argument I did not state.

[notorious]

[Why Not?]

If Andy retired and you could pair him with a great OC, I'd take Tomlin as HC of the Chiefs in a heartbeat. Great leader of men.