Is it time for Mike Tomlin to step aside?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jettio

Bengals with Marvin Lewis won the AFC North 4 times and made playoffs as wild card 3 other times.

Bengals did not win any playoff games, but with Harbaugh's Ravens winning AFC North 4 times and making playoffs as wildcard 5 times and having 11 total postseason wins. the AFC North may have been the least "soft" division of any of the AFC divisions since Tomlin has been head coach.

Tomlin has 7 AFC North titles and 3 wildcard teams and 8 postseason wins.

Bengals, Steelers and Ravens have all put dominant ass-whuppins on Chiefs since league went to 4 divisions.

Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton winning the North 4 times kinda makes my point for me. Or losing the division to an offense built around Joe Flacco, a 30 yr old Anquan Boldin and a 36 year old Derrick Mason.

That's a division the Steelers, with Ben, Brown, Bell, Polumalu, Harrison, Heyward, Pouncey should've run. And since 2011 they have all of 3 playoff wins despite prime years from those guys in there.

I look at Reid absolutely OWNING his division for the last decade and see a 'great' coach. I see you making an argument that Tomlin couldn't do so and thus that demonstrates his greatness. That doesn't make sense to me.

Those were not great teams in the AFCN - and yet Tomlin couldn't consistently stand apart from them.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton winning the North 4 times kinda makes my point for me. Or losing the division to an offense built around Joe Flacco, a 30 yr old Anquan Boldin and a 36 year old Derrick Mason.

That's a division the Steelers, with Ben, Brown, Bell, Polumalu, Harrison, Heyward, Pouncey should've run. And since 2011 they have all of 3 playoff wins despite prime years from those guys in there.

I look at Reid absolutely OWNING his division for the last decade and see a 'great' coach. I see you making an argument that Tomlin couldn't do so and thus that demonstrates his greatness. That doesn't make sense to me.

Those were not great teams in the AFCN - and yet Tomlin couldn't consistently stand apart from them.

So rank the AFC divisions since 2002 and going to 4 divisions per conference from softest to hardest.

Seems to me that AFC North had more years with 3 above average teams in same year than any other AFC division since 2002.

AFC North has the most wildcard playoff teams of all 8 divisions since 2002.

I don't believe I made any comment about how Tomlin compares to any other coach, not sure why you are imagining some argument I did not state.