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Deberg_1990 · 12-02-2021, 07:06 AM

Discussssss

To our Fans:

I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.
Manfred

Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni
— MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021

Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021

ChiefsCountry · 03-10-2022, 02:24 PM

Thanks for missing two weeks of games Scott Boras you ****ing ass.

**BigRedChief** · 03-10-2022, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Thanks for missing two weeks of games Scott Boras you ****ing ass.

And for what? What was gained causing the missed games?

MarkDavis'Haircut · 03-10-2022, 02:30 PM

Hope the MLB didn't capitulate to the awful MLBPA.

DJ's left nut · 03-10-2022, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

And for what? What was gained causing the missed games?

Seemingly not a goddamn thing.

I guess they probably kept the shift ban in there somewhere and the universal DH that could've actually been GOOD for the sport if properly implemented and instead it's just going to be one more place to stick a big lumbering dickhead who can't run, won't field and swings really hard in the hopes he makes contact.

dlphg9 · 03-10-2022, 02:35 PM

Hopefully we get a international draft done, but with how the PA has been I really doubt it.

I'll be interested to see what exactly they did for service time manipulation. I'm hoping not much, because it's just something that screws the small markets.

KChiefs1 · 03-10-2022, 02:48 PM

With the lockout over, the rush to sign free agents is on.

The coming days should be, in the words of one executive, “bedlam.” With that in mind, we canvassed our beat writers to see where the best players still on the market will go.

Who will land Freddie Freeman?

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**TribalElder** · 03-10-2022, 02:53 PM

Will local baseball be on the local over the air channels? nope

louie aguiar · 03-10-2022, 03:05 PM

MLB, MLBPA agree to negotiate on international draft until July 25. Draft pick compensation will be removed if they agree by then to remove it. Status quo on international entry and draft compensation if no deal by then. The union says it is awaiting a counterproposal from MLB.
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 10, 2022

Pepe Silvia · 03-10-2022, 03:06 PM

Good, I wanted a ballpark funnel cake this year.

ChiefsCountry · 03-10-2022, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder

Will local baseball be on the local over the air channels? nope

A few games will be on FOX.

KChiefs1 · 03-10-2022, 03:17 PM

On my scorecard, union got very good deal.

$230M CBT threshold in ‘22 (9% rise), $700K minimum (23% rise), $50M bonus pool (new money). Qualifying Offer likely goes away (assuming World Draft is agreed to), universal DH, draft lottery, full service time for RoY, more.

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DJ's left nut · 03-10-2022, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

On my scorecard, union got very good deal.

$230M CBT threshold in ‘22 (9% rise), $700K minimum (23% rise), $50M bonus pool (new money). Qualifying Offer likely goes away (assuming World Draft is agreed to), universal DH, draft lottery, full service time for RoY, more.

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tHe OwNeRs DoN't wAnT tO pLaY bAsEbAlL iN aPrIlL!!!!!

Jerm · 03-10-2022, 03:22 PM

Wish the pitch clock and shift van were both in effect this season but I’ll take it…

suzzer99 · 03-10-2022, 03:33 PM

pic.twitter.com/LsFqTds2i5
— SMPLonnie (@SMPLonnie) March 10, 2022

The executive subcommittee is mostly Boras clients. Looks like the rank-and-file outvoted them.

jd1020 · 03-10-2022, 03:34 PM

The MLBPA executive board voting unanimously against the CBA which is made up of 63% Scott Boras clients and the rest of the vote going 26-4 in favor of the CBA tells you everything you need to know.

12-02-2021, 07:06 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $114454	The MLB lockout thread Discussssss To our Fans: I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together. That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2. I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions. When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history. We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams. We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more. To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that. Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table. Manfred Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni — MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021 Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W — MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021
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03-10-2022, 02:24 PM	#676
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1581248	Thanks for missing two weeks of games Scott Boras you ****ing ass.
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03-10-2022, 02:30 PM	#678
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03-10-2022, 02:35 PM	#680
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1630347	Hopefully we get a international draft done, but with how the PA has been I really doubt it. I'll be interested to see what exactly they did for service time manipulation. I'm hoping not much, because it's just something that screws the small markets.
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03-10-2022, 02:48 PM	#681
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	With the lockout over, the rush to sign free agents is on. The coming days should be, in the words of one executive, “bedlam.” With that in mind, we canvassed our beat writers to see where the best players still on the market will go. Who will land Freddie Freeman? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________
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03-10-2022, 02:53 PM	#682
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03-10-2022, 03:05 PM	#683
louie aguiar MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Missoura Casino cash: $323533	MLB, MLBPA agree to negotiate on international draft until July 25. Draft pick compensation will be removed if they agree by then to remove it. Status quo on international entry and draft compensation if no deal by then. The union says it is awaiting a counterproposal from MLB. — Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 10, 2022
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03-10-2022, 03:06 PM	#684
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03-10-2022, 03:17 PM	#686
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	On my scorecard, union got very good deal. $230M CBT threshold in ‘22 (9% rise), $700K minimum (23% rise), $50M bonus pool (new money). Qualifying Offer likely goes away (assuming World Draft is agreed to), universal DH, draft lottery, full service time for RoY, more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________
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03-10-2022, 03:22 PM	#688
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03-10-2022, 03:33 PM	#689
suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $-785716	pic.twitter.com/LsFqTds2i5 — SMPLonnie (@SMPLonnie) March 10, 2022 The executive subcommittee is mostly Boras clients. Looks like the rank-and-file outvoted them.
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03-10-2022, 03:34 PM	#690
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $6942645	The MLBPA executive board voting unanimously against the CBA which is made up of 63% Scott Boras clients and the rest of the vote going 26-4 in favor of the CBA tells you everything you need to know.
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