If the Chiefs took WR Christian Watson at 30…

staylor26 · 03-11-2022, 02:01 PM

How would you feel about that?

Titty Meat · 03-11-2022, 02:06 PM

Depends on what we do in FA but there's too much talent on defense that meets our needs as well in the 1st to draft a guy like Watson

DJ's left nut · 03-11-2022, 02:11 PM

Not good.

Not good at all.

But it's 'talk ourselves into 60 different guys in the first round' season, so I'll allow the various indulgences.

DJ's left nut · 03-11-2022, 02:21 PM

I mean before we start doing backflips over his combine numbers let’s at least acknowledge that he managed a whopping 43 catches for 800 yards in the FCS.

Compare that to, say, Tolbert. Tolberts athleticism also leaps off the page, he played at the lower levels and he DOMINATED.

I can live with small school prospects who show freakish ability, but they’d better absolutely wreck that weak competition and he just didn’t.

**The Franchise** · 03-11-2022, 02:26 PM

And Tolbert you should be able to get in the 2nd.

staylor26 · 03-11-2022, 02:30 PM

Eh, he was fairly close to 1,000 totals yards, and 10 TD’s with 914 yards and 8 TDs. He’s not exactly Mecole Hardman, but I do agree that you’d wish there was more production from him. Also, don’t know a whole lot about their offense and QB.

My issue is, he didn’t really look like a 1st round pick at the Senior Bowl. Even though I like him a little more than Tolbert, I agree that it’s not a huge difference, and you could kind of see it that week too. I do see enough flashes of upside with Watson though that separates the two.

Just thought it was worth a discussion because he’s been a popular pick for us in mocks since the combine.

kccrow · 03-11-2022, 02:32 PM

I'm with DJ, to be honest.

I'd get if the guy had 80 receptions and 1400-1500 yards or something but his numbers are "meh." The question to me is, why so little production with such athletic prowess in a league that simply doesn't sport many across from him that can match it?

You look at guys like George Pickens and Alec Pierce who are every bit the size and athletic specimen that Watson is and they put up the same numbers against better competition. We aren't looking at either of those guys as 1st round picks, and deservedly so.

Most of the guys these players compare to from an athletic and production standpoint have been taken in the 4th and 5th rounds in recent drafts. Yeah, this year is a little light overall in terms of top-end WR talent IMO but its strong enough I see very little chance any of them get 1st round consideration and I'm guessing 2 of the 3 end up in the 3rd, and perhaps later.

staylor26 · 03-11-2022, 02:36 PM

Lol I totally get not liking him at 30. I don’t either, but Christian Watson isn’t making it out of the 2nd round.

DJ's left nut · 03-11-2022, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol I totally get not liking him at 30. I don’t either, but Christian Watson isn’t making it out of the 2nd round.

Nope. He's a 2nd rounder all day.

And for someone sitting at 50 some odd who DOESN'T have 2 HoF pass catchers and dire needs on the DL and Secondary, bully.

But for us, we just cannot take that guy at 30. Not when Pickens, Tolbert and a slew of other guys (maybe even Metchie) could fall to us in the 2nd. There are just way better plays there.

If he wrecked the FCS or stood out at the SR bowl. Or even if he did something like Tolbert did when Tolbert went off in a losing effort against Tennessee or absolutely massacred a quality 'mid-major' in Coastal Carolina.

But there's just very little he's done on a football field to even make him a 3rd round pick, let alone a 1st rounder. It's strictly measurables and underwear olympics.

Those don't work out more often than they do.

staylor26 · 03-11-2022, 02:51 PM

I don’t think that’s fair either because it’s not as if he’s Mecole Hardman, like I said. I don’t even think his production would be an issue if he weren’t a small school guy, like you said.

And when I say he didn’t look like a 1st rounder at the Senior Bowl, he was still arguably the best WR there.

He was already looking like a 2nd round pick before the combine, so I just don’t think that’s fair.

I do agree that as it stand right now, way too risky at 30 with all of our needs.

kccrow · 03-11-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol I totally get not liking him at 30. I don’t either, but Christian Watson isn’t making it out of the 2nd round.

I don't think he cracks the 2nd. My opinion of course.

Here's a list I have yet to fine-tune but should be a close approximation to where I have guys slotted (not necessarily in order):

Round 1:
Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Chris Olave, Ohio State
Drake London, USC
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Jameson Williams, Alabama
Jahan Dotson, Penn State

Round 2:
John Metchie III, Alabama
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
WanDale Robinson, Kentucky
George Pickens, Georgia
Justyn Ross, Clemson
David Bell, Purdue

Round 3:
Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Round 4:
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Jaquarri Roberson, Wake Forest
Dontario Drummond, Mississippi
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Dai'Jean Dixon, Nicholls State

Round 5
Tre Turner, Virginia Tech
Danny Gray, SMU
Emeka Emezie, NC State
Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Charleston Rambo, Miami
Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Velus Jones Jr, Tennessee

Round 6
Reggie Roberson Jr, SMU
Bo Melton, Rutgers
Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Tay Martin, Oklahoma State
Samori Toure, Nebraska
Jaivon Heiligh, Coastal Carolina

Round 7
Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Michael Woods, Oklahoma
Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Slade Bolden, Alabama
Braylon Sanders, Mississippi
Devon Williams, Oregon
Jequez Ezzard, Sam Houston State
Taysir Mack, Pittsburgh
Corey Sutton, Appalachian State

**The Franchise** · 03-11-2022, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't think he cracks the 2nd. My opinion of course.

Here's a list I have yet to fine-tune but should be a close approximation to where I have guys slotted (not necessarily in order):

Round 1:
Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Chris Olave, Ohio State
Drake London, USC
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Jameson Williams, Alabama
Jahan Dotson, Penn State

Round 2:
John Metchie III, Alabama
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
WanDale Robinson, Kentucky
George Pickens, Georgia
Justyn Ross, Clemson
David Bell, Purdue

Round 3:
Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Round 4:
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Jaquarri Roberson, Wake Forest
Dontario Drummond, Mississippi
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Dai'Jean Dixon, Nicholls State

Round 5
Tre Turner, Virginia Tech
Danny Gray, SMU
Emeka Emezie, NC State
Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Charleston Rambo, Miami
Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Velus Jones Jr, Tennessee

Round 6
Reggie Roberson Jr, SMU
Bo Melton, Rutgers
Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Tay Martin, Oklahoma State
Samori Toure, Nebraska
Jaivon Heiligh, Coastal Carolina

Round 7
Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Michael Woods, Oklahoma
Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Slade Bolden, Alabama
Braylon Sanders, Mississippi
Devon Williams, Oregon
Jequez Ezzard, Sam Houston State
Taysir Mack, Pittsburgh
Corey Sutton, Appalachian State

Round 1:

Chris Olave, Ohio State
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Jahan Dotson, Penn State

Round 2:

John Metchie III, Alabama
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
George Pickens, Georgia
Justyn Ross, Clemson

Round 3:

Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Round 4:

Dontario Drummond, Mississippi

Round 5

Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Velus Jones Jr, Tennessee

Those are the guys I'm interested in. I don't know shit about the 6th and 7th round guys though.

staylor26 · 03-11-2022, 03:26 PM

Reminds me of you telling me that Oweh wasn’t going in the 1st.

I’ll be right again

kcbubb · 03-11-2022, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't think he cracks the 2nd. My opinion of course.

Here's a list I have yet to fine-tune but should be a close approximation to where I have guys slotted (not necessarily in order):

Round 1:
Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Chris Olave, Ohio State
Drake London, USC
Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Jameson Williams, Alabama
Jahan Dotson, Penn State

Round 2:
John Metchie III, Alabama
Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
Romeo Doubs, Nevada
WanDale Robinson, Kentucky
George Pickens, Georgia
Justyn Ross, Clemson
David Bell, Purdue

Round 3:
Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Alec Pierce, Cincinnati
Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Kyle Phillips, UCLA
Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Round 4:
Calvin Austin, Memphis
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Jaquarri Roberson, Wake Forest
Dontario Drummond, Mississippi
Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Dai'Jean Dixon, Nicholls State

Round 5
Tre Turner, Virginia Tech
Danny Gray, SMU
Emeka Emezie, NC State
Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Charleston Rambo, Miami
Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Velus Jones Jr, Tennessee

Round 6
Reggie Roberson Jr, SMU
Bo Melton, Rutgers
Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Tay Martin, Oklahoma State
Samori Toure, Nebraska
Jaivon Heiligh, Coastal Carolina

Round 7
Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Michael Woods, Oklahoma
Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Slade Bolden, Alabama
Braylon Sanders, Mississippi
Devon Williams, Oregon
Jequez Ezzard, Sam Houston State
Taysir Mack, Pittsburgh
Corey Sutton, Appalachian State

Wow. Nice work. Too much depth here to take that risky of a pick in the 1st. Looking at all these names, if a top tier player isn’t available, I hope we trade down. Lots of depth at other positions as well. We could stock up on depth.

kccrow · 03-11-2022, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26

Reminds me of you telling me that Oweh wasn’t going in the 1st.

I’ll be right again

Oweh was a unicorn. An insane athletic profile at a position that doesn't see it and the argument was lack of production. He still barely managed to go in the first.

You can't make the same argument this year because the difference here is this is a position that sees these types every single year by the handful and the metrics get proven wrong time and again as much, if not more than right.

My question really is, why him?

Why aren't you picking Alec Pierce? Similar build, similar athletic profile, similar stats against higher competition.

Why not Kevin Austin Jr.? 2021 stats are the same. He's faster.

What about your Georgia boy, Pickens? He's alot of the same guy?

How about Isaiah Weston? Trumps them all with production and on-field acumen. Same profile. Might be a guy to watch for, he was buds with Daurice Fountain and could be a hell of a mid-round sleeper.

I guess I fail to see a 1st round WR here. He's nowhere near the player other guys have been and went in the early 2nd (collegiately). Tee Higgins? nope. Michael Pittman? nope. Deebo Samuel? nope. Courtland Sutton? no. If these guys can't crack round 1, I don't know how we could possibly champion for Watson there.

That and I just think it's stupid to even want a WR in the 1st round. There's so much talent this year between rounds 2 and 4 at the position for this team to pick from, it just seems like a waste to push for round 1 and especially so if you're considering a guy like Watson there who I don't think holds a candle to anyone I have on my list of 2nd rounders sans Bell who I just don't prefer myself because he's slow.

And yes, I do just enjoy the banter and reading your points.

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03-11-2022, 02:21 PM	#4
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-840901	I mean before we start doing backflips over his combine numbers let’s at least acknowledge that he managed a whopping 43 catches for 800 yards in the FCS. Compare that to, say, Tolbert. Tolberts athleticism also leaps off the page, he played at the lower levels and he DOMINATED. I can live with small school prospects who show freakish ability, but they’d better absolutely wreck that weak competition and he just didn’t. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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03-11-2022, 02:30 PM	#6
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2110960	Eh, he was fairly close to 1,000 totals yards, and 10 TD’s with 914 yards and 8 TDs. He’s not exactly Mecole Hardman, but I do agree that you’d wish there was more production from him. Also, don’t know a whole lot about their offense and QB. My issue is, he didn’t really look like a 1st round pick at the Senior Bowl. Even though I like him a little more than Tolbert, I agree that it’s not a huge difference, and you could kind of see it that week too. I do see enough flashes of upside with Watson though that separates the two. Just thought it was worth a discussion because he’s been a popular pick for us in mocks since the combine.
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03-11-2022, 02:32 PM	#7
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1270000	I'm with DJ, to be honest. I'd get if the guy had 80 receptions and 1400-1500 yards or something but his numbers are "meh." The question to me is, why so little production with such athletic prowess in a league that simply doesn't sport many across from him that can match it? You look at guys like George Pickens and Alec Pierce who are every bit the size and athletic specimen that Watson is and they put up the same numbers against better competition. We aren't looking at either of those guys as 1st round picks, and deservedly so. Most of the guys these players compare to from an athletic and production standpoint have been taken in the 4th and 5th rounds in recent drafts. Yeah, this year is a little light overall in terms of top-end WR talent IMO but its strong enough I see very little chance any of them get 1st round consideration and I'm guessing 2 of the 3 end up in the 3rd, and perhaps later.
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03-11-2022, 02:36 PM	#8
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2110960	Lol I totally get not liking him at 30. I don’t either, but Christian Watson isn’t making it out of the 2nd round.
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03-11-2022, 02:51 PM	#10
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2110960	I don’t think that’s fair either because it’s not as if he’s Mecole Hardman, like I said. I don’t even think his production would be an issue if he weren’t a small school guy, like you said. And when I say he didn’t look like a 1st rounder at the Senior Bowl, he was still arguably the best WR there. He was already looking like a 2nd round pick before the combine, so I just don’t think that’s fair. I do agree that as it stand right now, way too risky at 30 with all of our needs.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2110960	Reminds me of you telling me that Oweh wasn’t going in the 1st. I’ll be right again
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