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Old 03-18-2022, 04:14 PM   #1
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Holy shit what a ****ing ordeal this has been so far. Man oh man... their cars better function better than their employees do.

Most dealers I called didn't have the car. No worries there... that is understandable.

3 dealers had a "market price adjustment" markup of $3k that was not reflected on their websites. That annoyed me but whatever.

Then we get to Don at Manhattan Kia. I say again... **** THAT GUY. I literally got in a yelling match with that asshole because he constantly talked over me and did everything short of call me a liar in regards to Kia offering that lease option.

I then called Kia to confirm that this offer even existed because Don stated that the problem must be on Kia's side. That went absolutely nowhere after 2 hours.

I called another dealership (Anderson Kia in St. Joe) who had a car in stock and the dipshit there told me that I would have to come up with the $7,500 money up front from the tax rebate and I would get that back from the government later. I paused, reminded him that I don't own the car on a lease... the leasing company does therefore I don't get the rebate. I heard silence on the other end of the line and then "yeah, that's just how it is". *insert price is right fail horn* Not wanting to argue with yet another salesperson about this I simply thanked him and hung up.

I started calling dealerships in St. Louis and landed on Jim Butler Kia where I talked to a dude named Rex. I explained my situation:

* First I asked him if he had any Nero EVs and lucky for me... there is one coming on the truck and it arrives tomorrow or Monday.

* Second I asked him for his mobile number so I could text him the offer from Kia and explained that I have hit brick wall after brick wall on this and just needed to know if his dealership would honor the offer at the price I had built out. He read gave it a first glance and said it looked good, kept reading, then hit that same spot about the fed tax rebate. Asked me to hang on while he talked to the manager.

He comes back and tells me that it is solid, explained that the rebate offer was EXACTLY as I anticipated, and let me put down a deposit on the vehicle. We may get it as early as tomorrow and as late as Monday.

HUZZAH!!!!!!

If you are gonna get this car... **** every last dealership in Kansas City and the immediate surrounding area. Hit up Jim Butler KIA in St. Louis and ask for Rex.

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I will update this thread with either photos of the vehicle or a rant about how KIA ****ed me yet again.
Good for you for sticking to your guns.
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Old 03-18-2022, 04:54 PM   #2
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This whole ev push is a joke, lol.

95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.
Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.
Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.
Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.
Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.
Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.

There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.
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Old 03-18-2022, 05:03 PM   #3
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This whole ev push is a joke, lol.



95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.

Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.

Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.

Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.

Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.

Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.



There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.
I'd respond to this, but there's so much wrong with it I don't know where to start.
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Old 03-18-2022, 05:12 PM   #4
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This whole ev push is a joke, lol.

95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.
Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.
Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.
Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.
Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.
Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.

There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.




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Old 03-18-2022, 05:15 PM   #5
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This whole ev push is a joke, lol.

95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.
Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.
Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.
Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.
Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.
Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.

There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.
You don’t understand the push? Haven’t noticed the price of gas over the past few months?
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Old 03-18-2022, 05:26 PM   #6
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You don’t understand the push? Haven’t noticed the price of gas over the past few months?
Of course I do. It's what this administration wants.

I'm just trying to figure out where we're getting all this electricity for an ev world, lol.
No coal, no nuclear. They haven't figured out hydrogen yet.

Yall want electric but wanna destroy how it's produced is comical.

How many of you work or worked in the field, lol.

It was California using diesel generators.
Regardless the power doesn't just produce itself. Third of our power is coal.

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Old 03-18-2022, 05:42 PM   #7
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I'm just trying to figure out where we're getting all this electricity for an ev world, lol.
Have you heard of this thing called...



I will be installing solar panels on the house and on the shop (which will be ready for the EV in a few days) which will power my vehicle along with the majority of my in home use.
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Old 03-18-2022, 05:48 PM   #8
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Have you heard of this thing called...



I will be installing solar panels on the house and on the shop (which will be ready for the EV in a few days) which will power my vehicle along with the majority of my in home use.

Good for you.

I've been looking into panels for my south side.
The panels are great when the sun's shining otherwise you're investing in bigger storage batteries. Not ideal for all of the country.

We'll see in 20 years, lol.

I see you're the op. Not crapping on your post man, congrats.
I just don't get their thinking right now.

We're not hearing about the nw punching damns anymore so I guess the huggers quit caring about Salmon, lol.

The new long distance Tesla can't even be fully charged in a weekend. Musk is developing power packs to help with that so we'll see...

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Old 03-18-2022, 06:03 PM   #9
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Good for you.

I've been looking into panels for my south side.
The panels are great when the sun's shining otherwise you're investing in bigger storage batteries. Not ideal for all of the country.

We'll see in 20 years, lol.

I see you're the op. Not crapping on your post man, congrats.
I just don't get their thinking right now.

We're not hearing about the nw punching damns anymore so I guess the huggers quit caring about Salmon, lol.

The new long distance Tesla can't even be fully charged in a weekend. Musk is developing power packs to help with that so we'll see...
My roof has a heavy slant and one side faces east, the other west, and there is not a single thing between it and the sky other than the occasional cloud... as I live out in the country. Literally middle of nowhere Missouri.

I expect I will be using the local electricity coop I currently use for my power needs as the battery. Anything that I don't use during the day that the panels collect gets fed into their system and I have a built in "credit" for usage during the night.

Eventually I will move to a battery system but not until that technology gets better. As for tree hugging... that ain't me son. I care about the environment and all but I'm currently more concerned with how this affects my bottom line.

No worries on the crapping on the thread or what not... you are welcome to state your opinion. I get your position though I don't know that it is all based on current tech.
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The new long distance Tesla can't even be fully charged in a weekend. Musk is developing power packs to help with that so we'll see...
Where are you even getting this stuff? The longest-range Teslas out there charge in about 12 hours on a standard 220v charger. I suppose if you're wanting to just charge it on a 110v outlet it might take the whole weekend, but no one's going to spend $80k on a car and then refuse to pay the extra $750 to have a home charger installed.
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Of course I do. It's what this administration wants.

I'm just trying to figure out where we're getting all this electricity for an ev world, lol.
No coal, no nuclear. They haven't figured out hydrogen yet.

Yall want electric but wanna destroy how it's produced is comical.

How many of you work or worked in the field, lol.

It was California using diesel generators.
Regardless the power doesn't just produce itself. Third of our power is coal.
Relax. We will be fine. It’s not like every car on the road is just going to magically become an EV. Gasoline powered cars will be around a looooong time. Lots of people still love the internal combustion engine and alway will.
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This whole ev push is a joke, lol.

95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.
Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.
Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.
Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.
Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.
Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.

There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.
More bad information, most likely because of a change resistant bias.

It is more like 95% of households have sufficient available wiring to charge one overnight. Most people have outlets in their garage.
Do you live in Australia or someplace like that? Why would you need a charger out in the "boonies"?
The more houses that continue to put up and use solar panels the easier it is to not just power your house but also charge your vehicle.
You are way out of touch and have been getting your information from people that are just against the EV market on any and all levels.
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