If the Chiefs took WR Christian Watson at 30…

[staylor26]

How would you feel about that?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Agreed. I'd be fine with him at 62. Any earlier than that though and I'd probably be kind of irritated. He could turn into a superstar, but I just do not see it.

I'd be LOTS of irritated.

The more I've read about him, the more he's just a track-star playing football. We've seen dozens of those guys come and go.

Just hard pass. I'm not even sure I'd be happy with him at 62 - I'm virtually certain there are guys I'd like more (like, for instance, Calvin Austin III).

Just being tall don't make you a football player.

[louie aguiar]

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...-round-1-after

Jeremiah updated his mock after the Hill trade - has us taking Ebiketie and Watson

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...-round-1-after

Jeremiah updated his mock after the Hill trade - has us taking Ebiketie and Watson

So you wanna see a pissed off me?

Because THAT'S how you get a pissed off me.

Lord that would be garbage. I mean just unmitigated trash born of nothing but underwear olympics. Neither of those guys are first round picks in ANY year, let along a draft this deep.

He has Ojabo falling out of the first from what I can tell. Ojabo over Ebiketie is a no-brainer and even Ebiketie stans like Staylor would acknowledge that.

And I mean anytime you can take the 7th best WR prospect in a draft with a pretty mediocre top end but a SUPER deep middle, you really should just do that in the first round.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd be LOTS of irritated.

The more I've read about him, the more he's just a track-star playing football. We've seen dozens of those guys come and go.

Just hard pass. I'm not even sure I'd be happy with him at 62 - I'm virtually certain there are guys I'd like more (like, for instance, Calvin Austin III).

Just being tall don't make you a football player.

No, no, no, no, no. No, man.

Have you actually watched any video on him? Watch, man. This ain't Willie Gault. This kid's a football player.

Now, he's going to be rawer than an SEC powerhouse kid would be, but this is not a track star in pads.

I'd love him at #50.

[Titty Meat]

Now that we have 2 firsts are you more inclined to spend one of them on Williams DJ?

[kcbubb]

The mock with Watson is why we need to trade up to get one of the top 5 wrs if we have to. London, Garrett Wilson, olave, burks and jameson are in another tier from the rest of the wrs. As soon as the 4th in group is gone, we should should trade up to get whoever is the 5th in that group. I hope it’s jameson!

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The mock with Watson is why we need to trade up to get one of the top 5 wrs if we have to. London, Garrett Wilson, olave, burks and jameson are in another tier from the rest of the wrs. As soon as the 4th in group is gone, we should should trade up to get whoever is the 5th in that group. I hope it’s jameson!

I do think there's a massive drop off after the top 6. If we want someone who we know is an immediate upgrade from what we currently have, it's one of those. Everything after is a complete gamble imo and you'd have to double dip to and play the numbers game

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The mock with Watson is why we need to trade up to get one of the top 5 wrs if we have to. London, Garrett Wilson, olave, burks and jameson are in another tier from the rest of the wrs. As soon as the 4th in group is gone, we should should trade up to get whoever is the 5th in that group. I hope it’s jameson!

Seems like a soundly bad strategy. Hitting on a WR in round 1 is no guarantee, for starters, and hitting on after the 1st is nearly as high of a probability. Many very good receivers have come at the top of the 2nd too, so standing pat is definitely a solid option.

Let's do a case study of some recent drafts. You're going to see a trend when you look beyond the 2021 draft (its an enigma and too soon)

2021 Draft (early but do it anyhow)

Spoiler!

R1
Chase - Stud 1400 yd
Waddle - Very Good 1000 yd
Smith - Very good 900 yd
Toney - Subpar 400 yd
Bateman - Mediocre 500 yd

Not going to apply a label w/ the rest, its early
R2
E Moore - 500 yd
R Moore - 400 yd
Eskridge - 60 yds
Atwell - 50 yds
Marshall - 140 yds

R3
Palmer - 350 yds
Brown - 160 yds
Rodgers - 160 yds
Collins - 450 yds
Schwartz - 135 yds

2020 Draft:

Spoiler!

R1
Ruggs - Prison
Jeudy - Mediocre ave 660 yds
Lamb - Very Good 1000 yd receiver
Reagor - Very subpar ave 350 yds
Jefferson - Stud 1500 yd receiver
Aiyuk - Good 800 yd receiver

R2
Higgins - Very Good 1000 yd receiver
Pittman - Good 800 yd ave (1k last year)
Shenault - Mediocre 600 yd ave
Hamler - Subpar 380 yds as a rook then tore ACL
Claypool - Good 865 ave
Jefferson - Mediocre to Good 500 ave but 800 last year
Mims - Subpar 250 ave deep threat only type

R3
Edwards - Subpar 380 ave but stepped up to mediocre with 570 last year
Duvernay - Subpar 235 ave but pro bowl returner

2019 Draft

Spoiler!

R1
Brown - Very Good 790 ave but 1k last year
Harry - Sucks 200 ave

R2
Samuel - Very Good 870 ave but 1400 last yr
Brown - Very Good 1k ave
Hardman - Mediocre 600 ave
Arcega-Whiteside - Sucks 100 ave
Campbell - Sucks cuz he can't stay healthy 120 ave
Isabella - Sucks 140 ave
Metcalf - Stud 1k ave

R3
Johnson - Very Good 900 ave but nearly 1200 last year
Hurd - Sucks never saw the field with injuries
McLaurin - Very Good 1k ave
Boykin - Sucks 150 ave and had plenty of starts first 2 yrs

2018 Draft

Spoiler!

R1
Moore - Very Good to Stud 1100 ave
Ridley - Was turning into a stud after a near 1400 yd 2020 but last year's mental hiatus and his suspension this year puts things in flux

R2
Sutton - Good about 880 ave in 3 health years (out 2020)
Pettis - Sucks 185 ave
Kirk - Solid 725 ave
Miller - Subpar 400 ave
Washington - Subpar 400 ave
Chark - Mediocre 500 ave but has 1k and 700 yd seasons sandwiched in the middle

R3
Gallup - Solid 725 ave with one 1100 yd yr
Smith - Subpar 370 ave

[Chris Meck]

There are guys that will go in the first due to a higher floor, and there will be guys that will go in the 2nd and possibly into the 3rd and 4th that will become much better NFL players due to higher ceilings.

Watson is a guy I like better than some of the 'top' guys because his ceiling is 'generational talent'. His floor is '4th WR, special teams guy.' So I get taking a kid like Olave over him, though I think there's a 50/50 chance you'd regret it in a couple years.

But when people are throwing names around like David Bell, I wonder what they're seeing, or basing their rankings on.

[kcbubb]

Wow. That’s really good research. thanks 🙏 That info makes me want to trade up for jameson! What percentage of athletic bama wrs bust?

Originally Posted by kccrow

Seems like a soundly bad strategy. Hitting on a WR in round 1 is no guarantee, for starters, and hitting on after the 1st is nearly as high of a probability. Many very good receivers have come at the top of the 2nd too, so standing pat is definitely a solid option.

Let's do a case study of some recent drafts. You're going to see a trend when you look beyond the 2021 draft (its an enigma and too soon)

2021 Draft (early but do it anyhow)

Spoiler!

R1
Chase - Stud 1400 yd
Waddle - Very Good 1000 yd
Smith - Very good 900 yd
Toney - Subpar 400 yd
Bateman - Mediocre 500 yd

Not going to apply a label w/ the rest, its early
R2
E Moore - 500 yd
R Moore - 400 yd
Eskridge - 60 yds
Atwell - 50 yds
Marshall - 140 yds

R3
Palmer - 350 yds
Brown - 160 yds
Rodgers - 160 yds
Collins - 450 yds
Schwartz - 135 yds

2020 Draft:

Spoiler!

R1
Ruggs - Prison
Jeudy - Mediocre ave 660 yds
Lamb - Very Good 1000 yd receiver
Reagor - Very subpar ave 350 yds
Jefferson - Stud 1500 yd receiver
Aiyuk - Good 800 yd receiver

R2
Higgins - Very Good 1000 yd receiver
Pittman - Good 800 yd ave (1k last year)
Shenault - Mediocre 600 yd ave
Hamler - Subpar 380 yds as a rook then tore ACL
Claypool - Good 865 ave
Jefferson - Mediocre to Good 500 ave but 800 last year
Mims - Subpar 250 ave deep threat only type

R3
Edwards - Subpar 380 ave but stepped up to mediocre with 570 last year
Duvernay - Subpar 235 ave but pro bowl returner

2019 Draft

Spoiler!

R1
Brown - Very Good 790 ave but 1k last year
Harry - Sucks 200 ave

R2
Samuel - Very Good 870 ave but 1400 last yr
Brown - Very Good 1k ave
Hardman - Mediocre 600 ave
Arcega-Whiteside - Sucks 100 ave
Campbell - Sucks cuz he can't stay healthy 120 ave
Isabella - Sucks 140 ave
Metcalf - Stud 1k ave

R3
Johnson - Very Good 900 ave but nearly 1200 last year
Hurd - Sucks never saw the field with injuries
McLaurin - Very Good 1k ave
Boykin - Sucks 150 ave and had plenty of starts first 2 yrs

2018 Draft

Spoiler!

R1
Moore - Very Good to Stud 1100 ave
Ridley - Was turning into a stud after a near 1400 yd 2020 but last year's mental hiatus and his suspension this year puts things in flux

R2
Sutton - Good about 880 ave in 3 health years (out 2020)
Pettis - Sucks 185 ave
Kirk - Solid 725 ave
Miller - Subpar 400 ave
Washington - Subpar 400 ave
Chark - Mediocre 500 ave but has 1k and 700 yd seasons sandwiched in the middle

R3
Gallup - Solid 725 ave with one 1100 yd yr
Smith - Subpar 370 ave

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

There are guys that will go in the first due to a higher floor, and there will be guys that will go in the 2nd and possibly into the 3rd and 4th that will become much better NFL players due to higher ceilings.

Watson is a guy I like better than some of the 'top' guys because his ceiling is 'generational talent'. His floor is '4th WR, special teams guy.' So I get taking a kid like Olave over him, though I think there's a 50/50 chance you'd regret it in a couple years.

But when people are throwing names around like David Bell, I wonder what they're seeing, or basing their rankings on.

No the bottom of Watson is John Ross. Ross simply outran everybody in college. Turns out he freaking sucked at the NFL level as he had no moves or route running skills at all and was injury prone.

[duncan_idaho]

Regarding Watson's production relative to his competition...

I thnk the fact NDSU runs so much is obscuring his productivity.

He pulled in roughly 1/3 of the team's passing yards over the course of his two healthy seasons there (freshman, when he led them in receiving, and junior, when he led them in receiving far and away).

He's not just a fast guy blowing by people, either. If you watch him, you see a man with uncommon agility and wiggle for a player his size (which is backed up by his athletic scores). He makes a lot of guys miss in the open field.

I'm not sure he's worth a 1st, but I'm not sure he isn't.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

No the bottom of Watson is John Ross. Ross simply outran everybody in college. Turns out he freaking sucked at the NFL level as he had no moves or route running skills at all and was injury prone.

See, saying that tells me that you have not watched any video on Watson.

Watson is not John Ross, at all.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Wow. That’s really good research. thanks 🙏 That info makes me want to trade up for jameson! What percentage of athletic bama wrs bust?

You saw all of that and then ended up wanting to trade up for a WR? The ****?

[CatfishBob2]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

See, saying that tells me that you have not watched any video on Watson.

Watson is not John Ross, at all.

I've seen the tape.....this guy COULD be a WR unlike any WR that comes to mind at the moment. But from what I see he could easily be Jacoby Jones from the Ravens. I'm not completely sold on him as a first rounder. If he's there at our second pick....go for it


FWIW though he's on par with Treylon Burks to me