Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt - Page 2

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 05:17 PM

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

Toad · 03-28-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

If that’s the direction you go, that’s fine, but you better be right.

It’s really that simple.

Perfect answer. Period.

Chris Meck · 03-28-2022, 07:01 PM

8 picks in the first four rounds.

This is some Madden Franchise Mode shit!

This draft is going to be a ton of fun to watch!

**Bowser** · 03-28-2022, 07:04 PM

IMHO, if we package both our firsts to move up, it had best be for one of the elite pass rushers, and it better be getting us in the top ten or twelve picks.

I want a receiver out of this draft that will grow into a weapon as bad as anyone, but I'm not trading our most valuable capital to take one. EDGE is way more of a priority.

Cosmos · 03-28-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Mocking Jameson Williams to the Chiefs is just lazy writing.

He's fast. Tyreek Hill was fast. They lost Tyreek Hill. So mock Williams to the Chiefs.

Shit is getting old.

You are the victim of what you complain about….laziness of thought.

The Chiefs need playmakers WR..JW is a playmaker, a very good one, one who is expected to go in the middle of the first round.

JuJu is signed for one year, Hardman is in the final year of of his contract. There is a need, a dire need to take a shot at a cost controlled potential star receiver.

Maybe you would like to see KC chose a QB with their first pick, because it would be unexpected, and stupid.

It’s not lazy, it’s obvious.

TambaBerry · 03-28-2022, 07:38 PM

Probably been stated but 1040 puts us at 14

**The Franchise** · 03-28-2022, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmos

You are the victim of what you complain about….laziness of thought.

The Chiefs need playmakers WR..JW is a playmaker, a very good one, one who is expected to go in the middle of the first round.

JuJu is signed for one year, Hardman is in the final year of of his contract. There is a need, a dire need to take a shot at a cost controlled potential star receiver.

Maybe you would like to see KC chose a QB with their first pick, because it would be unexpected, and stupid.

It’s not lazy, it’s obvious.

Jameson Williams is not the only playmaker in this draft. There are literally 8-10 WRs who would help this team and probably wouldn’t take trading up to get them.

ChiefAshhole1056 · 03-28-2022, 09:55 PM

Would rather trade up for Burks.

kcbubb · 03-28-2022, 10:37 PM

My strategy would be to trade up and get jameson or burks. I’d prefer jameson. I’m assuming olave is gone. Get an edge at 30 And get an edge rusher and dt in the 2nd.

For example;

18th pick jameson with 29, earlier 3rd and 4th and a 4th in 2023
Or
21st pick burks with 29 with the later 3rd and 4th

Moving up to 15 is a little rich. But I like the edge rushers in the 2nd better than I like wrs in the late first and 2nd. I would be ok with trading up to 15 if we could trade down from 30 and try to get back in the 2nd to take a de or a dt.

All of these edge guys are probably available in the second and yes a run may happen early in the 2nd. Ojabo and Sam Williams are my favorites but lots of guys here to take.

Boye Mafe
David Ojabo
Arnold Ebiketie
Logan Hall
Drake Jackson
Kingsley Enagbare
Cameron Thomas
Nik Bonitto
Myjai Sanders
Sam Williams

Here are your 2nd round or later wrs. WRs are tough to evaluate with a high percentage of busts or jags. This group mostly probably falls into that category. Either they won’t be able to get off the jam, create separation, run routes or their competition or numbers are limited, which increases their risk.

Jahan Dotson
Christian Watson
George Pickens
Skyy Moore
David Bell
John Metchie III
Jalen Tolbert
Wan'Dale Robinson
Alec Pierce
Calvin Austin III

Here’s your 2nd round or later DTs. I’d target perrion winfrey in the 2nd.

Travis Jones
Logan Hall
DeMarvin Leal
Perrion Winfrey
Phidarian Mathis

So, your 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft might look like this with the first trade and you still have the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7ths.

18 jameson
30 ojabo
50 perrion winfrey
62 Sam Williams

**BossChief** · 03-28-2022, 11:13 PM

I’m not interested in trading a first and second for anyone in this draft, but I wouldn’t be mad if Veach did it, either.

This draft has depth at the exact positions we have short and long term need at.

I’d prefer if Veach let’s the star come to him.

If he wants to move up…please try to use next years third or 4th..or both.

We need all the picks this year.

JPH83 · 03-29-2022, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Jameson Williams is not the only playmaker in this draft. There are literally 8-10 WRs who would help this team and probably wouldn’t take trading up to get them.

I could see Burks and/or Dotson dropping a bit, and one of them, or Moore or Pickens is going to be a very good player imo. But I'm far less confident than with Williams.

I agree with staylor and DJ - it's a big risk to give away the picks so you better be right, but you have to factor in the money as well.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-29-2022, 03:56 AM

**** that, considering his availability

Jerm · 03-29-2022, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

**** that, considering his availability

What he misses 3 or 4 games at the worst…? Come on.

Jameson Williams is going to be a superstar and easily WR1 for me so I’d do that trade in a second…

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-29-2022, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

What he misses 3 or 4 games at the worst…? Come on.

Jameson Williams is going to be a superstar and easily WR1 for me so I’d do that trade in a second…

Come on? How do we know if he'll be 100%, and rush thus becoming constantly injured. If the Chiefs still had Tyreek, I'd be fine with it because he can be let loose during the playoff run.

htismaqe · 03-29-2022, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

What he misses 3 or 4 games at the worst…? Come on.

Jameson Williams is going to be a superstar and easily WR1 for me so I’d do that trade in a second…

Pure speculation.

Even the optimists think it's going to take 8 months AT LEAST to rehab. Which means he misses AT LEAST half the season.

And when you consider he's not going to get the full offseason program, he might not contribute at all in year 1.

Furthermore, NO draftee is "going to be a superstar" especially not a guy that was injured so recently. Yes, he has a good chance to be great but it's not guaranteed AT ALL.

htismaqe · 03-29-2022, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I’m not interested in trading a first and second for anyone in this draft, but I wouldn’t be mad if Veach did it, either.

This draft has depth at the exact positions we have short and long term need at.

I’d prefer if Veach let’s the star come to him.

If he wants to move up…please try to use next years third or 4th..or both.

We need all the picks this year.

There is nothing Veach could do that would make me mad. I trust him.

That being said, there's good ideas and bad ideas. Trading up like this is a BAD idea.

03-28-2022, 05:17 PM
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-158384	IMHO, if we package both our firsts to move up, it had best be for one of the elite pass rushers, and it better be getting us in the top ten or twelve picks. I want a receiver out of this draft that will grow into a weapon as bad as anyone, but I'm not trading our most valuable capital to take one. EDGE is way more of a priority.
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TambaBerry MVP Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $-1484459	Probably been stated but 1040 puts us at 14
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03-28-2022, 09:55 PM	#22
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03-28-2022, 10:37 PM	#23
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5036719	My strategy would be to trade up and get jameson or burks. I’d prefer jameson. I’m assuming olave is gone. Get an edge at 30 And get an edge rusher and dt in the 2nd. For example; 18th pick jameson with 29, earlier 3rd and 4th and a 4th in 2023 Or 21st pick burks with 29 with the later 3rd and 4th Moving up to 15 is a little rich. But I like the edge rushers in the 2nd better than I like wrs in the late first and 2nd. I would be ok with trading up to 15 if we could trade down from 30 and try to get back in the 2nd to take a de or a dt. All of these edge guys are probably available in the second and yes a run may happen early in the 2nd. Ojabo and Sam Williams are my favorites but lots of guys here to take. Boye Mafe David Ojabo Arnold Ebiketie Logan Hall Drake Jackson Kingsley Enagbare Cameron Thomas Nik Bonitto Myjai Sanders Sam Williams Here are your 2nd round or later wrs. WRs are tough to evaluate with a high percentage of busts or jags. This group mostly probably falls into that category. Either they won’t be able to get off the jam, create separation, run routes or their competition or numbers are limited, which increases their risk. Jahan Dotson Christian Watson George Pickens Skyy Moore David Bell John Metchie III Jalen Tolbert Wan'Dale Robinson Alec Pierce Calvin Austin III Here’s your 2nd round or later DTs. I’d target perrion winfrey in the 2nd. Travis Jones Logan Hall DeMarvin Leal Perrion Winfrey Phidarian Mathis So, your 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft might look like this with the first trade and you still have the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7ths. 18 jameson 30 ojabo 50 perrion winfrey 62 Sam Williams
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03-28-2022, 11:13 PM	#24
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03-29-2022, 03:56 AM	#26
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