Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt - Page 3

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 05:17 PM

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

VAChief · 03-29-2022, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Wouldn't like it. You're basically forgoing the best value you got from trading Hill....to draft a WR who may or may not replace Hill.

You traded Tyreek Hill for Jameson Williams, two 4th round picks and a 6th? Color me ****ing unimpressed.

I would rather use our later picks to move up in the mid rounds on someone we like...there is just too much talent available in this draft to give away any of our top 3 round picks.

I would hate going back to two picks in the first round, especially on wide receiver where we have lots of options in rounds 2-4.

**chiefforlife** · 03-29-2022, 10:34 AM

I really dont want to trade up, I love having all these picks and believe staying put will add huge value to our team for years to come.

However, if theres a guy that I feel would make the biggest impact and come as close as possible to replacing Tyreek, its Jameson Williams!

We have the WRs to wait for him to contribute later in the season. It took Tyreek a year or two to really become what he was. Waiting half a season or even a full season is really a best case scenario in terms of replacing Tyreek. It could take years or maybe never.

We will never have a chance to draft a guy like this as long as Mahomes and Andy are here. I know its a risk because of the injury but it is the only reason we have a shot at him.

I am coming around to the idea of trading up but only for this guy!

**BossChief** · 03-29-2022, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pure speculation.

Even the optimists think it's going to take 8 months AT LEAST to rehab. Which means he misses AT LEAST half the season.

And when you consider he's not going to get the full offseason program, he might not contribute at all in year 1.

Furthermore, NO draftee is "going to be a superstar" especially not a guy that was injured so recently. Yes, he has a good chance to be great but it's not guaranteed AT ALL.

Nothing in the draft is a guarantee. It’s all about risk reward. Jameson is a guy with legit superstar potential, though. That much is without question.

If KC moves up for him (which is possible) I’d hope it would be sending our first and next years third to move up…or this years first and second but getting a late third back.

htismaqe · 03-29-2022, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Nothing in the draft is a guarantee. It’s all about risk reward. Jameson is a guy with legit superstar potential, though. That much is without question.

If KC moves up for him (which is possible) I’d hope it would be sending our first and next years third to move up…or this years first and second but getting a late third back.

It's not just about risk and reward, it's also about opportunity cost, which you covered.

There's 2 things that I'm not super excited about in this draft or any draft:

1. Trading up and giving away value to zero in on one player and
2. Picking up players with injuries that prevent them from contributing right away.

With Williams, you're getting both. I simply don't like it. If they do it, I would understand why but I don't like it.

**The Franchise** · 03-29-2022, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not just about risk and reward, it's also about opportunity cost, which you covered.

There's 2 things that I'm not super excited about in this draft or any draft:

1. Trading up and giving away value to zero in on one player and
2. Picking up players with injuries that prevent them from contributing right away.

With Williams, you're getting both. I simply don't like it. If they do it, I would understand why but I don't like it.

The only injured player who I'd be okay with them taking a shot on would be David Ojabo. And that's at #30...with the caveat that they're taking another DE in the 2nd round.

Direckshun · 03-29-2022, 12:30 PM

I'm going to be repeating myself here, but a recent mock showed Jordan Davis at 17.

You trade up for Jordan Davis at 16. He's going to be a monster.

htismaqe · 03-29-2022, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm going to be repeating myself here, but a recent mock showed Jordan Davis at 17.

You trade up for Jordan Davis at 16. He's going to be a monster.

**** no.

kcbubb · 03-29-2022, 02:36 PM

After sleeping on it. I love this idea. Jameson has the highest floor and the highest ceiling for any wr in this draft coming out of bama with his skill set and athletic ability. He should be ready for the last half of the season and playoffs. And the draft is deep in the 2nd for dline. The move below fits well for what we need.

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

My strategy would be to trade up and get jameson or burks. I’d prefer jameson. I’m assuming olave is gone. Get an edge at 30 And get an edge rusher and dt in the 2nd.

For example;

18th pick jameson with 29, earlier 3rd and 4th and a 4th in 2023

So, your 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft might look like this with the first trade and you still have the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7ths.

18 jameson
30 ojabo
50 perrion winfrey
62 Sam Williams

**BigRedChief** · 03-29-2022, 04:59 PM

McShay was on ESPN saying the same thing. Give Philly or Pitt the Miami 1&2 rounders and go get Jameson.

His other point was the Chiefs don’t need 8 picks in the first 4 rounds. Leverage the draft capital to move up.

TambaBerry · 03-29-2022, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

McShay was on ESPN saying the same thing. Give Philly or Pitt the Miami 1&2 rounders and go get Jameson.

**** that

kcbubb · 03-29-2022, 06:22 PM

Jeff Simmons went to the titans at 19 in 2019 and was a top ten guy before injury. Moving up to 18 might be a good spot to get jameson and is hopefully cheaper than moving up to 15.

Titty Meat · 03-29-2022, 06:32 PM

I like Jameson but I'm not trading up for him

Chieftain · 03-29-2022, 09:27 PM

Burks is a terrible pick. Guy can't run routes. I don't understand what people see in him? Pickens is another bad pick. Not worth even using a 3rd for him.
Jameson Williams and Garret Wilson are the only two legit receivers in this draft that Veach may to move up for. Otherwise, pick Dotson and be happy with that.
I am absolutely in favor of trading a 1st and our 2nd to get Williams. He is a game wrecker that could somewhat replace Hill's production, although not right away.
You would need to trade between the 15-19 range where I think he will be available.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain

Burks is a terrible pick. Guy can't run routes. I don't understand what people see in him? Pickens is another bad pick. Not worth even using a 3rd for him.
Jameson Williams and Garret Wilson are the only two legit receivers in this draft that Veach may to move up for. Otherwise, pick Dotson and be happy with that.
I am absolutely in favor of trading a 1st and our 2nd to get Williams. He is a game wrecker that could somewhat replace Hill's production, although not right away.
You would need to trade between the 15-19 range where I think he will be available.

I disagree entirely with your take.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 06:58 AM

Let me put it another way-historical perspective.

Aaron Rodgers won his Super Bowl with Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his primary WR's.

Couldn't get it done with Davante Adams.

Know what I'm saying?

Maybe two GOOD WR's are > one great one.

03-28-2022, 05:17 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-731038 VARSITY	Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson. What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?
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03-29-2022, 10:34 AM	#32
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	I really dont want to trade up, I love having all these picks and believe staying put will add huge value to our team for years to come. However, if theres a guy that I feel would make the biggest impact and come as close as possible to replacing Tyreek, its Jameson Williams! We have the WRs to wait for him to contribute later in the season. It took Tyreek a year or two to really become what he was. Waiting half a season or even a full season is really a best case scenario in terms of replacing Tyreek. It could take years or maybe never. We will never have a chance to draft a guy like this as long as Mahomes and Andy are here. I know its a risk because of the injury but it is the only reason we have a shot at him. I am coming around to the idea of trading up but only for this guy!
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03-29-2022, 12:30 PM	#36
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I'm going to be repeating myself here, but a recent mock showed Jordan Davis at 17. You trade up for Jordan Davis at 16. He's going to be a monster.
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03-29-2022, 04:59 PM	#39
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-731038 VARSITY	McShay was on ESPN saying the same thing. Give Philly or Pitt the Miami 1&2 rounders and go get Jameson. His other point was the Chiefs don’t need 8 picks in the first 4 rounds. Leverage the draft capital to move up. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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03-29-2022, 06:22 PM	#41
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5036719	Jeff Simmons went to the titans at 19 in 2019 and was a top ten guy before injury. Moving up to 18 might be a good spot to get jameson and is hopefully cheaper than moving up to 15.
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03-29-2022, 06:32 PM	#42
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-1122442	I like Jameson but I'm not trading up for him
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03-29-2022, 09:27 PM	#43
Chieftain Fan since 1997 Join Date: Nov 2018 Casino cash: $-1929600	Burks is a terrible pick. Guy can't run routes. I don't understand what people see in him? Pickens is another bad pick. Not worth even using a 3rd for him. Jameson Williams and Garret Wilson are the only two legit receivers in this draft that Veach may to move up for. Otherwise, pick Dotson and be happy with that. I am absolutely in favor of trading a 1st and our 2nd to get Williams. He is a game wrecker that could somewhat replace Hill's production, although not right away. You would need to trade between the 15-19 range where I think he will be available. __________________ Chiefs Records
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03-30-2022, 06:58 AM	#45
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1315090	Let me put it another way-historical perspective. Aaron Rodgers won his Super Bowl with Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his primary WR's. Couldn't get it done with Davante Adams. Know what I'm saying? Maybe two GOOD WR's are > one great one.
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