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Old 03-26-2022, 10:58 AM  
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The roster as it stands
My 2022 Game 1 roster guesses:

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buechele
RB - CEH/McKinnon/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - MVS/ Hardman/Watson
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Fountain OR Coleman
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Wylie/Christian
RG - Smith/Caliendo
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretii
LT - OBJ

O = 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Dunlap
WLB - Bolton/Harris
MLB - Gay/Carter
SLB - Lee/Chenal
LCB - McDuffie/Fenton/Lammons
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Watson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

D = 24

ST
Butker
Townsend
Winchester

PTW- PS
Crum - PS
Franks - Release
Ealy - Release
Fleet-Davis - PS
Jones - Release
Gore - PS
Powell - PS
Gordon - Release
Kinnard - PS
Niang - IR
Bootle - PS
Key - Release
Barcoo - Released
Johnson - Released
Anderson - PS
Kaindoh - PS




Just trying to keep up....makes it a little more clear to be able to see needs/wants

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buchele
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman/Dieter
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon/Powell/Fountain
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Wylie/Christian/Kinnard
RG - Smith
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW
LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Bootle/Watson
RCB - Sneed/Baker/Williams/Barcoo/Johnson
SS - Reid/Key/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush/Anderson

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Old 03-30-2022, 09:28 AM   #211
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You're pushing all of that money down the road.

Clark's $1.2m is NOTHING. Just disregard that. It's SO not important, and harping on it just shows that you're reacting emotionally and not logically. Emotionally, I want that ****er GONE, I'm so sick of his shit. Logically, I understand that we're paying $1.2m this season for a rotational DE piece rather than having to fill TWO spots as we would if we released him. Clark is no longer important. He's filling a space for $1.2m. Re-sign Ward for what, $14m per? WAIT YOU SAY-JUST STRUCTURE THIS YEAR'S HIT TO BE LOWER!-yeah, well, that means next year or the year after the cap hit is huge. Pay now, or pay later, but either way, YOU GOT TO PAY.

Reid is 25, cheaper than what Mathieu wanted, so we got younger, bigger, faster, and cheaper. THAT is a good signing.

I've made my opinions about paying second contracts at market value for boundary corners pretty clear, I think, so no way I pay Ward that. But if you do, you pretty much guarantee that you won't be able to pay Sneed when it's time, because you had to push Ward's money out to fit it in '22-and I would stand on the table and argue loudly that Sneed is a more important piece because of his versatility. So you can pay Ward now, or Sneed later, but probably not both.

Do you understand now? No, I guess not.

I'm tired of arguing with you, because you're just stubbornly refusing to see logic. I was VERY surprised that Veach and Andy went this way, but I'm impressed as hell that they were able to see that it needed to be done.
Yeah I understand you're pushing money down the road. That's literally why Mahomes structured his contract the way he did. So that until 2027, we always have 5 years to spread out the hit.

If pushing money down the road was such a concern, why did we restructure Thuneys contract? That adds more per year to the cap than if we restucured Mahomes seeing as how he only has 4 years left on his deal.

And if money is a concern, you're not bringing Frank Clark back and having him cost you extra money next year when he's off the roster. That's just stupid if your whole thing is getting cheaper and younger. Clark is neither of those and worst of all, he's not even good. Not even average.
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:30 AM   #212
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Yeah....that plan for fixing the defense was going to take 2 years because we didn't have a ton of money or a ton of picks.

It definitely wasn't "throw some UDFA DEs" on the roster and roll to another Super Bowl.
I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:33 AM   #213
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I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?
Sweet....so now you've got what....a rookie, Danna and Kaindoh as your DEs....plus throw in some UDFA DEs to round it out.

How are you fixing the CB position? Because you aren't bringing back Ward and signing Reid.

You know what....lay out your perfect off season with cap numbers so we can see what amazing team you would have built.
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:33 AM   #214
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I'm bringing in 2 UDFA DEs or roster bubble DEs to replace Clark. Worst case they give me about the same level of production and are much cheaper and younger. Best case, they pop. Isn't that the whole point of rebuilding/younger movement?

And how is creating another hole by trading the 2nd best player on the team really helping the team? Are we assuming that he's going to hit on every draft pick and that will fill the big holes in the team including Tyreek being gone?
Dude.

UDFA's or FOUR TOP 60 PICKS.

What do you think is more likely to hit?
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:35 AM   #215
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I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?
Oh they can ABSOLUTELY produce less than Clark.

Clark hasn't lived up to his contract, but he's still a legitimate NFL player. He's just not great.

UDFA's are, for the most part, not legitimate NFL players. That's why they were undrafted.

I can't believe this has to be explained to you.
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Sweet....so now you've got what....a rookie, Danna and Kaindoh as your DEs....plus throw in some UDFA DEs to round it out.

How are you fixing the CB position? Because you aren't bringing back Ward and signing Reid.

You know what....lay out your perfect off season with cap numbers so we can see what amazing team you would have built.
Something like this would do:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=342563
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:36 AM   #217
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I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?
It’s not about the loss. It’s about what can you gain.

This draft is deep with talent at WR, DE and DB. Guess what our biggest needs are? WR, DL and DB

Now we have 3 top 50 picks to get quality players to fill those holes for cheap the next 4-5 years.

Look at what Veach did with his early picks recently? Nick Bolton, Willie Gay and Creed Humphrey (unfortunately had a miss on Clyde).

You realize how much better we can be if he drafts good players with those picks? You realize how much money that frees up?
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Oh they can ABSOLUTELY produce less than Clark.

Clark hasn't lived up to his contract, but he's still a legitimate NFL player. He's just not great.

UDFA's are, for the most part, not legitimate NFL players. That's why they were undrafted.

I can't believe this has to be explained to you.
Yeah that's why you take a chance on them.

You're really defending bringing back the most underperforming and most overpaid player on the team right now. And paying him next year also when he 100% won't be on the team. That's wild.
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Dude...you posted my own mock offseason like it's some gotcha moment.

Go back and look at those numbers I had. I had Christian Kirk at $10 million a season and Ogbah at around $12 million. They blew those numbers out of the water.
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Yeah I understand you're pushing money down the road. That's literally why Mahomes structured his contract the way he did. So that until 2027, we always have 5 years to spread out the hit.

If pushing money down the road was such a concern, why did we restructure Thuneys contract? That adds more per year to the cap than if we restucured Mahomes seeing as how he only has 4 years left on his deal.

And if money is a concern, you're not bringing Frank Clark back and having him cost you extra money next year when he's off the roster. That's just stupid if your whole thing is getting cheaper and younger. Clark is neither of those and worst of all, he's not even good. Not even average.
They pushed A LITTLE money down the road. Not a lot. You want to push A TON of money down the road.

And Clark is absolutely average. That's what's so irritating about it. He's AVERAGE to slightly ABOVE average, and that's not what we paid him for. We probably don't win SB54 without him, so whatever, but we're still paying for that.
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Yeah that's why you take a chance on them.

You're really defending bringing back the most underperforming and most overpaid player on the team right now. And paying him next year also when he 100% won't be on the team. That's wild.
No one is defending it, you ****ing reerun.
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Seems like you would have extended Tyreek, restructured Mahomes and Kelce. That would have given us a lot of money and space. Personally I wouldn't have restructured Kelce, but whatevs.
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And if money is a concern, you're not bringing Frank Clark back and having him cost you extra money next year when he's off the roster. That's just stupid if your whole thing is getting cheaper and younger. Clark is neither of those and worst of all, he's not even good. Not even average.
Do you have a time machine?

You do realize that everything didn't happen simultaneously?

We needed to make decisions like Ward and Clark before moving forward on things like JuJu. And the assumption was that Hill would be a member of the team next year until the Adams deal and then Hill's threat to sit out.

You don't go and get to assume perfect foresight after the fact.

If we knew at the outset that Hill would be traded, there is a negative probability this would be the roster we'd have at the moment. But blame Hill for that - not Veach/Reid.
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