Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt - Page 4

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 05:17 PM

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

O.city · 03-30-2022, 06:58 AM

If I'm trading up for someone, it's Garrett Wilson.

DJ's left nut · 03-30-2022, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

After sleeping on it. I love this idea. Jameson has the highest floor and the highest ceiling for any wr in this draft coming out of bama with his skill set and athletic ability. He should be ready for the last half of the season and playoffs. And the draft is deep in the 2nd for dline. The move below fits well for what we need.

The highest floor?

If he doesn't come back 100% from his knee injury, he's out of the league in 3 years.

He's a speed receiver. His floor is literally a guy who doesn't contribute at all if he doesn't come back with the same explosion he had before the injury.

Among the WRs the highest floors are easily Wilson and Olave. They're both healthy and play a more rounded game. I don't think either of them have the ceiling of Williams but few guys in this entire draft actually have a lower floor that Jameson Williams.

DJ's left nut · 03-30-2022, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Let me put it another way-historical perspective.

Aaron Rodgers won his Super Bowl with Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his primary WR's.

Couldn't get it done with Davante Adams.

Know what I'm saying?

Maybe two GOOD WR's are > one great one.

Exactly.

Once your QB starts making real money, it's his job to make B level WR talent outperform their paychecks.

Any swinging dick can throw to HoFers - Alex Smith did it. And yeah, it makes a great QBs job easier. But when he wants to get paid, there are sacrifices that come with that and having that easy job is one of them.

The WR market is making it look like the days of a top 5 QB and a top 5 WR on his 3rd contract are effectively over. And frankly, a guy getting a top flight WR on his second contract is pretty unlikely unless the deal is signed a year early and you leverage some AAV concessions out of it that way.

**The Franchise** · 03-30-2022, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

After sleeping on it. I love this idea. Jameson has the highest floor and the highest ceiling for any wr in this draft coming out of bama with his skill set and athletic ability. He should be ready for the last half of the season and playoffs. And the draft is deep in the 2nd for dline. The move below fits well for what we need.

Because it took you sleeping one night to confirm what you’ve been saying in every draft thread for the last month?

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

Once your QB starts making real money, it's his job to make B level WR talent outperform their paychecks.

Any swinging dick can throw to HoFers - Alex Smith did it. And yeah, it makes a great QBs job easier. But when he wants to get paid, there are sacrifices that come with that and having that easy job is one of them.

The WR market is making it look like the days of a top 5 QB and a top 5 WR on his 3rd contract are effectively over. And frankly, a guy getting a top flight WR on his second contract is pretty unlikely unless the deal is signed a year early and you leverage some AAV concessions out of it that way.

The only caveat is if that top 5 QB is on a rookie deal. Cinci's window with Chase and Burrow will be short. Now, depending on how they handle it, and how they draft, their contender window may be as long as Burrow can play at a high level; but if they're smart, they'll move Chase for a huge haul when it behooves their roster, just like we did Tyreek.

It's painful, but it's the smart move in the long view.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If I'm trading up for someone, it's Garrett Wilson.

I'm not going to complain if they trade up for a guy, as I'll assume they're just 100% all in on the kid and he was THEIR guy-but me, personally, I would not trade up in any significant fashion in those first two rounds. There's too much talent at our specific areas of need to spend the draft capital in that manner.

Just my opinion.

htismaqe · 03-30-2022, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Jeff Simmons went to the titans at 19 in 2019 and was a top ten guy before injury. Moving up to 18 might be a good spot to get jameson and is hopefully cheaper than moving up to 15.

Moving to 18 will require the equivalent of a 30 AND 50.

No.

****ing.

Way.

kcbubb · 03-30-2022, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Moving to 18 will require the equivalent of a 30 AND 50.

No.

****ing.

Way.

I thought our early 3rd & 4th and next years 4th could move us up from 29 to 18? Is that incorrect?

htismaqe · 03-30-2022, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I thought our early 3rd & 4th and next years 4th could move us up from 29 to 18? Is that incorrect?

I'd have to look at the draft value chart again.

Note that I'm not saying it will take 30 and 50. It will take the equivalent value though. 30 and 50 are roughly worth somewhere between the 18th and 19th pick.

**The Franchise** · 03-30-2022, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I thought our early 3rd & 4th and next years 4th could move us up from 29 to 18? Is that incorrect?

No.

That maybe gets you to 21 and that's if you value a 4th rounder in 2022 as a mid 4th this year....which it's not.

kcbubb · 03-30-2022, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Because it took you sleeping one night to confirm what you’ve been saying in every draft thread for the last month?

Yep, just thought about all the busts from other schools and how bama wrs have done well. Ohio state wrs have mostly been jags or busts?

**The Franchise** · 03-30-2022, 10:13 AM

29 and 50 gets you to around 15-16.

**The Franchise** · 03-30-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Yep, just thought about all the busts from other schools and how bama wrs have done well. Ohio state wrs have mostly been jags or busts?

Seriously....who gives a shit about that?

kcbubb · 03-30-2022, 03:42 PM

Culture & training are important. A track record of successful draft picks is obviously important. You must be trolling.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-30-2022, 04:26 PM

Veach isn't trading up in the 1st all his moves will be made in the 2nd and 3rd round with his mantra that this draft class has a depth of talent

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