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Old 04-01-2022, 09:21 AM  
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WRs from a statistical analysis

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/articl...rofiles-part-1

Yes I know....another WR thread in the draft forum. This one is different though. Lately there has been a lot of talk about target percentages and comps to other WRs based on output and combine numbers.

I present to you.....Rotoworld's pre-draft rookie WR ranks. Let's start with an explanation.

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These rankings are fantasy football-focused and driven by statistical metrics that I'll explain throughout the profiles. These rankings also factor in expected NFL draft position. NFL draft position, and the scouting that drives it, plays a huge role in prospects' success and failure. The biggest post-draft swings in my rankings will come from draft-dependent prospects locking in high draft capital and strong analytical prospects slipping more than expected in the draft.

These profiles also include statistical comps. These comps are based on key metrics for wide receivers like career production, college breakout, and underclassman status. They also factor in height and weight, but the comps won't always be perfect stylistically. The primary purpose of the comps is to help illuminate a range of outcomes for each player and serve as a reminder that a player's prospect profile is a helpful tool in projecting them to the next level but an imperfect one.
They include a ton of information, so it's going to be a long read but I think the information they provide is valuable.

1) Treylon Burks, Arkansas
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2) Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
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3) Drake London, USC
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4) Jameson Williams, Alabama
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5) Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
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Old 04-01-2022, 10:49 AM   #16
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I didn’t post it for the rankings or where it says they’ll get drafted. That’s all fantasy stuff. I posted it for the statistical analysis. Target shares. Routes run. That kind of data.
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Old 04-01-2022, 10:52 AM   #17
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I didn’t post it for the rankings or where it says they’ll get drafted. That’s all fantasy stuff. I posted it for the statistical analysis. Target shares. Routes run. That kind of data.
The player comparisons are nice too.
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Old 04-01-2022, 11:45 AM   #18
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Great article - love seeing these deeper dive statistics.
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Old 04-01-2022, 12:19 PM   #19
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Can we move up to 20 without giving up a 2nd rounder? If so, what would that look like? I could see all the teams after 20 taking a WR. They won’t but any one of them could.

20) Pittsburgh Steelers
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Sure, they could give up a couple 3rd rounders instead to go get that pass rusher they want.
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Old 04-01-2022, 02:28 PM   #20
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Really good information. Thanks for sharing!

Been up/down on Burks. Way high on him until the lack luster performance at the combine. Looking at his tape vs other WRs and I’m back up. Hard to deny his results within the best conference in the land.
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Old 04-01-2022, 03:01 PM   #21
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I didn't know Burks was so young. He's pretty polished for such a young kid.

I like him a lot at 29 but have to wonder if he'll even be there. These WR evals are all over the place.
This draft is like that at many positions, too. More than most years, there aren’t consensus takes on any one prospect by analysts across the board.

I’m sure it’s that way with GMs and scouting departments, as well. I think we’re going to see 2-3 guys be taken in the first that nobody else has before the third round….I also think 2-3 guys are going to free fall that nobody expects to.

It’s going to be exciting to watch it play out.
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Old 04-01-2022, 03:02 PM   #22
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I didn’t post it for the rankings or where it says they’ll get drafted. That’s all fantasy stuff. I posted it for the statistical analysis. Target shares. Routes run. That kind of data.
Much appreciated. This data had to take a long time to put together for them.
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Old 04-01-2022, 08:00 PM   #23
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Old 04-02-2022, 07:40 AM   #24
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Man, this is pretty interesting information.

I've been late coming around to Burks but I'm starting to think KC would be the perfect spot for him for the following reasons:

1)Andy said we wanted to get bigger at WR; the bigger WR's we let go (Pringle, Robinson) weren't dynamic at all. MVS and Juju are massive upgrades over them

2)The slot percentages had me worried; but the outside #'s are actually really good on Burks

3)The schemed touches. Does anyone in the NFL do 'schemed touches' like Andy Reid? It's one of his best attributes to find ways to utilize individual athletes unique skillsets. Except for Clyde. I can't explain that.

So I'm coming around on Burks in a larger way. A WR corps full of big, physical bullies is an interesting counter to the rest of the NFL stacking speedy secondaries to stop the Hill era offense.

Also-and I don't want to get into another Watson argument, but the stats there were interesting and validating as well, I thought. I still don't think I'd do it in the first, but if he was there at #50 I'd take him.

Hell, I'd take Burks at #30 and Watson at #50 sandwiched between Wyatt at #29 and Sam Williams/Mafe/Cam Thomas at #62 and feel real good about things moving forward.
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I find the Burks/Shenault comp interesting. Maybe Reid thinks he can turn Shenault around and that’s why we’ve been interested in him.
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Wish they had write ups on the 2nd tier of players like Alec Pierce bc that’s who I think we’ll be in on
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If they post them….I’ll post them here.
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Man, this is pretty interesting information.

I've been late coming around to Burks but I'm starting to think KC would be the perfect spot for him for the following reasons:

1)Andy said we wanted to get bigger at WR; the bigger WR's we let go (Pringle, Robinson) weren't dynamic at all. MVS and Juju are massive upgrades over them

2)The slot percentages had me worried; but the outside #'s are actually really good on Burks

3)The schemed touches. Does anyone in the NFL do 'schemed touches' like Andy Reid? It's one of his best attributes to find ways to utilize individual athletes unique skillsets. Except for Clyde. I can't explain that.

So I'm coming around on Burks in a larger way. A WR corps full of big, physical bullies is an interesting counter to the rest of the NFL stacking speedy secondaries to stop the Hill era offense.

Also-and I don't want to get into another Watson argument, but the stats there were interesting and validating as well, I thought. I still don't think I'd do it in the first, but if he was there at #50 I'd take him.

Hell, I'd take Burks at #30 and Watson at #50 sandwiched between Wyatt at #29 and Sam Williams/Mafe/Cam Thomas at #62 and feel real good about things moving forward.
Glad you are coming around on Burks! I had an instant crush on him, he was my first choice from the beginning. I too was disappointed in his combine but the tape is amazing! I think he would be exactly the WR Patrick has never had. Love this guy!

Also, I have really opened up to Watson. His athleticism is impossible to ignore. I felt he was late 2 or even 3 rounder but I was wrong. Someone is going to pick him early. Small school and all but WOW!

The thought of Burks AND Watson!! Sign me up!! Our WRs would be insane! Sure would take the sting out of losing Tyreek.

Throw in a couple of Defenders in the first 4 picks and the rest of the draft is just gravy! Almost unfair to the rest of the league.

(Also would be Great if Jameson Williams were in the mix but probably not going to happen)
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Man, this is pretty interesting information.

I've been late coming around to Burks but I'm starting to think KC would be the perfect spot for him for the following reasons:

1)Andy said we wanted to get bigger at WR; the bigger WR's we let go (Pringle, Robinson) weren't dynamic at all. MVS and Juju are massive upgrades over them

2)The slot percentages had me worried; but the outside #'s are actually really good on Burks

3)The schemed touches. Does anyone in the NFL do 'schemed touches' like Andy Reid? It's one of his best attributes to find ways to utilize individual athletes unique skillsets. Except for Clyde. I can't explain that.

So I'm coming around on Burks in a larger way. A WR corps full of big, physical bullies is an interesting counter to the rest of the NFL stacking speedy secondaries to stop the Hill era offense.

Also-and I don't want to get into another Watson argument, but the stats there were interesting and validating as well, I thought. I still don't think I'd do it in the first, but if he was there at #50 I'd take him.

Hell, I'd take Burks at #30 and Watson at #50 sandwiched between Wyatt at #29 and Sam Williams/Mafe/Cam Thomas at #62 and feel real good about things moving forward.
I think our little draft nerd community has done a great job breaking down the pluses and minuses of all the WRs.

There are a lot of guys I'd be excited abot. And as DJ pointed out, John Metchie III has kind of become a forgotten man amidst all the recent combine and pro day stuff.

That's a guy that, pre-injury, looked like he'd be right there with the Ohio State guys in the top 15-20 picks (Williams, too, obviously). And his skillset fits nicely with what Andy Reid traditionally has liked from his receivers (good speed, quick feet, good route running and ability to separate).

If their solution to WR is to draft John Metchie III at the end of the second (or, shoot, even at 50), I will be on board with that.

I'd be on board with using 29 or 30 on a WR (Burks, Watson, Pierce might be a bit of a reach there, but if no one falls and they want to lock it up, I get it).

I'd be on board with drafting a Tolbert or Metchie at the end of the 2nd and pairing it with another guy in the 3rd (Romeo Doubs? Calvin Austin III?).

Really, the only thing that WOULDN'T make a ton of sense to me right now is the idea of giving up a lot to go get a WR. I would understand trading up to nab a Jermaine Johnson II if he inexplicably fell. But the draft class is so deep. I don't know that the difference is worth it to get Karlaftis instead of Sam Williams or Cam Thomas. Kind of like I don't the difference is worth the cost to get a WR at 21 or 18 versus at 29 or later.
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I find the Burks/Shenault comp interesting. Maybe Reid thinks he can turn Shenault around and that’s why we’ve been interested in him.
Does he even really need to be “turned around” much though? Seems like he’s done pretty well considering the circumstances in Jacksonville.
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