Trade Mock - Pissed or Glee?

[kccrow]

Okay, this one is going for the gusto. Do I imagine Veach would be this aggressive? Perhaps not, but he's been pretty aggressive in the past between trading for players and moving up in the draft.

Here you go, roast away.

1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State
Trade 1.29, 2023 1st, 2023 4th to Houston for 1.13
1.21 | Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia
Trade 1.30, 2.62, 7.233 to New England for 1.21, 4.127
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia
3.70 | Bryan Cook, SS, Cincinnati
Trade 3.94, 4.121, 2023 5th to Jacksonville for 3.70
3.82 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss
Trade 3.103, 4.135 to Atlanta for 3.82
4.127 | Alontae Taylor, CB, Tennessee
7.243 | Tyler Goodson, RB/WR, Iowa
7.251 | Damone Clark, LB, LSU
7.259 | Quandre Mosely, CB, Kentucky

Projected 53:

QB: P. Mahomes, C. Henne, S. Buechele
RB: C. Edwards-Helaire, R. Jones II, D. Gore
FB: M. Burton
TE: T. Kelce, B. Bell, N. Gray, J. Fortson
WR: J. Smith-Schuster, M. Valdes-Scantling, M. Hardman, G. Pickens, J. Gordon, J. Watson
OL: O. Brown Jr, J. Thuney, C. Humphrey, T. Smith, A. Wylie, G. Christian, N. Allegretti, A. Reiter, R. Johnson
DE: F. Clark, J. Johnson II, S. Williams, M. Danna, J. Kaindoh
DT: C. Jones, D. Wyatt, D. Nnadi, T. Wharton, K. Saunders
LB: W. Gay Jr, N. Bolton, J. Carter, E. Lee
CB: L. Sneed, R. Fenton, D. Baker, L. Barcoo, A. Taylor
DB: J. Reid, B. Cook, J. Thornhill, D. Bush, Z. Anderson
ST: H. Butker, T. Townsend, J. Winchester
IR/PUP: OT L. Niang, LB D. Clark
WR T. Goodson and CB Q. Mosely to PS

[Stryker]

Glee. Look I am like most fans here NOT wanting to trade up and stand down. But, I think that with Veach, it is inevitable that we do. It is just a strong feeling IMHO.

[duncan_idaho]

I would be pretty ecstatic with that, honestly. Lots of immediate impact and the Chiefs get major help on the DL and at S and WR.

Honestly, if they get two DL (DE, DE or DT, DE) a DB and a WR in the first 2 rounds, I'll be happy pretty much no matter what.

Giving up the 2023 1st hurts, though.

[Couch-Potato]

Very Aggressive, I like it!

I'd sign OBJ or Gilmore as well, both if at all possible.

[The Franchise]

I'm good with it.

[DJ's left nut]

I just cannot see Jermaine Johnson being worth 2 first round picks.

I'm fine with everything else in there, but I don't see what y'all are seeing in Johnson.

[Coogs]

Damn, I’m torn. It’s a great looking draft.

Mahomes like compensation to get Johnson. Lots of other draft capital over this year and next year spent.

Most of those could be acquired by standing pat, or a small trade up this year (Wyatt). Johnson is really the only one not attainable without wrecking the apple cart.

As good as it looks, I’m going to keep the draft picks and hope volume of picks over the next two drafts trumps one player in Johnson.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Damn, I’m torn. It’s a great looking draft.

Mahomes like compensation to get Johnson. Lots of other draft capital over this year and next year spent.

Most of those could be acquired by standing pat, or a small trade up this year (Wyatt). Johnson is really the only one not attainable without wrecking the apple cart.

As good as it looks, I’m going to keep the draft picks and hope volume of picks over the next two drafts trumps one player in Johnson.

I hear you. I'm equally torn and doing the mock was an exercise to let go of my conditioning to be more reserved.

Here's what I think
1) Despite everyone's hopes and dreams, you're not getting any of the top 5 pass rushers unless you're trading up into the teens or better. I just don't feel it's remotely even within the realm of hope to think teams are going to pass on these guys and they drop to the late 20s because there are far too many teams that need them.

2) The dropoff between that tier of DEs and the next tier of DEs is monumental. That's not to say I'm not high on Cam Thomas and Sam Williams because I am, but they are much rawer. Beyond those guys, I see even more raw or non-schematic fits. At that point, you're not getting an immediate return on investment and the Chiefs desperately need it.

3) There are a few DTs I'd be happy with. I fully expect Veach is going to go up for Wyatt but if he doesn't I'd love to see Travis Jones in play for one of the picks. I think Jones is right there in terms of ability. Maybe he's not as explosive as a pass rusher but he would be a significant upgrade over Nnadi at NT. I do think they are looking at Wyatt to replace Jones eventually if I'm being honest.

4) If we're not moving up for an ER, I'm not overly enamored with any WR to trade up and, like DE, one of those top 4 isn't falling to 29/30. I don't like Burks enough to spend a 1st and I think it's a reach to take any of Skyy Moore, George Pickens, Christian Watson, or Jahan Dotson in the first. I'm EXTREMELY enamored with Jalen Tolbert though. I don't see him going in 1 either, I think he could be there at 50 and it's more about the level of competition. When I look at his athletic profile, his routes, his hands, and so on, it compares really favorably to some really good WRs throughout recent history and those are Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, Stefon Diggs, and Jeremy Maclin. If I'm going to reach for a WR in round 1, he's the guy I'd do it for. I don't just think he's going to be good, I think he's going to be special. After him, it's Pickens for me.

So if we're not moving up, I just don't see DE or WR being in play at 29/30 in terms of actual value. I think they have more value at 50 and 62. There might be value at DT. I'd actually think the value will end up being at CB and S. This place would go absolutely nuts if Veach doesn't address either of the perceived biggest needs on the team with either 1st round pick even if that might mean getting a couple of really good players like Jalen Pitre and Kaiir Elam or similar.

If I'm being honest with myself, I'd probably be a little jaded too. I'd much rather see Veach send 29 and 30 away to get up high. Theoretically speaking, 29, 30, 121, and 233 can get you to #7 overall using the Rich Hill chart. I'd much rather that and get a guy like Trayvon Walker than sit at 29 and 30 and get no impact player on the defensive line for 2022. That simply cannot happen IMO.

[Coogs]

A little different twist to your same draft that leaves us short of Wyatt, but saves all of our picks for next year.

#29 and #30 would get us to pick #11 on the points chart. Washington owns pick 11, and could probably use some extra picks.

#11 Johnson.
#50 Pickens
#62 Cook

Still use #103 and #135 for #82

#82 Williams

#94 available for your choice crow

#121 Taylor

7th rounders the same.

So same draft except no Wyatt. But, 94 still open. And all of next years picks still in hand in case something goes terribly wrong this fall.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Coogs

A little different twist to your same draft that leaves us short of Wyatt, but saves all of our picks for next year.

#29 and #30 would get us to pick #11 on the points chart. Washington owns pick 11, and could probably use some extra picks.

#11 Johnson.
#50 Pickens
#62 Cook

Still use #103 and #135 for #82

#82 Williams

#94 available for your choice crow

#121 Taylor

7th rounders the same.

So same draft except no Wyatt. But, 94 still open. And all of next years picks still in hand in case something goes terribly wrong this fall.

I do like the idea. My premise was getting a couple of immediate impact players on the defensive line. I think Wyatt and Johnson are a lot of juice right now.

That said, under this scenario, I'd mock CB Jalyn Armour-Davis at 94 and DT Eyioma Uwazurike at 121.

If I look at the Rich Hill chart, 1-29 and 1-30 can get you to #9, so it depends on which chart you believe is most accurate.

[staylor26]

Mostly glee based on the players, but no 1st rounder for 2023 would be kind of hard to stomach.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I do like the idea. My premise was getting a couple of immediate impact players on the defensive line. I think Wyatt and Johnson are a lot of juice right now.

That said, under this scenario, I'd mock CB Jalyn Armour-Davis at 94 and DT Eyioma Uwazurike at 121.

If I look at the Rich Hill chart, 1-29 and 1-30 can get you to #9, so it depends on which chart you believe is most accurate.

This is the only one I have ever found:

https://gbnreport.com/2015-nfl-draft...e-value-chart/

It may take a move up to 9, 10, or 11 to grab one of these guys.

[In58men]

Love it

[Titty Meat]

Not a fan of trading our current first rounders to move up let alone a future first with as many 1 year deals we have and an aging Kelce. I don't think the production Johnson will produce will be much higher than Cam Thomas who will be there in the 2nd.

[Titty Meat]

The thing I don't like about Johnson I've noticed in alot of his tape is he looks kinda stiff in the hips